Trans Voices For Appeal Complain About Together For Yes Campaign

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You couldn't make it up at this point, could you?

""Trans Voices for Repeal would like the..Together for Yes campaign..to formally acknowledge the pain their actions have caused trans people in Ireland, the negative effect their campaign has had on the mental health of trans people and the unnecessary nature of this exclusion."

twitter.com/doormatt134/status/1000620731468845057?s=19

medium.com/@transvoicesforrepeal/trans-voices-for-repeal-call-on-the-together-for-yes-campaign-to-formally-apologise-to-trans-people-84931f0fa85d

This is about the reproductive healthcare and rights for women.

Women, female born, cannot escape this.

Thanks Elendon, we need to remember it's women's reproductive rights not the vaguer "bodily autonomy" I've seen co-opted by Irish-based TRAs to wedge themselves into the middle of things.

not the vaguer "bodily autonomy" I've seen co-opted by Irish-based TRAs to wedge themselves into the middle of things.

It's because that phrasing suits their own specific agenda.

Did smg come back with why they thought it wasn't 'real'? I think it must be, I'm blocked too, no interaction with them but I follow quite a few feminists so I don't think it's a parody.

No I didn't. Yes it might be real. I see now it is more about trans men. Kind of got lost amongst all the hooting about trans women. Isn't there a valid point there though? If trans men become legally male, as they can, then any legislation that only referred to women would exclude them? So I can see the logic if that is the case otherwise how would a pregnant trans man that was legally male get an abortion?

Would it be valid for women like me to object to some of the campaigning 'that women need abortion rights' when I don't need abortion rights because I needed to have a radical hysterectomy due to cancer diagnosis?

A pregnant person who identifies as a trans man would not be excluded from any gynaecological medical services. Suggesting this would be the case seems bizarre to me.

Insisting that gynaecological medical services do not refer to women is a really serious issue.

Insisting that gynaecological medical services do not refer to women is a really serious issue.

It is. But I don't believe certain posters have the slightest understanding of that.

The thing that isn't mentioned is that part of improving gynaecological services for all who use them is that they better understand, respect and support the individual needs of the patients.

I was really fortunate that my gyny oncology team take a very holistic approach. In the years since my diagnosis I know that many teams do not.

There is still work to be done and many women, charities and medical practitioners are working hard to try to improve things. I've been a small part of this with regards gyny oncology so do have some awareness of the scope.

Of course there should be information and training which supports the specific needs of those who identify as trans women so that their care is given sensitively.

There are many groups of women whose needs should still be better understood and supported.

This has to be seen in context.

Dismissing concerns that women who understand the context have as 'hooting' is pretty appalling.

Interestingly the only calls to exclude people who identify as trans men from women's services, that I have seen, came from within the NUS. Including NUS officers who are trans women or non-binary trans women.... along with some claims of the trans men's transmisogyny / privilege etc.
So for the sake of clarity: born male people seeking to exclude born female people from women's servces

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This is not a parody. Fucking idiots. This lot are like the "Degenderettes", bullying women for talking about their bodies.

"We need to ensure that the misogyny, transphobia, classism, racism and ableism of the 8th Amendment is eradicated. Abortion must be accessible to everyone, regardless of gender identity or class. It MUST be free. And it MUST be inclusive of transgender people"

Sounds very similar language to some of the individuals & groups discussed on this thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3257491-Strong-words-from-feminists-unhappy-with-trans-exclusionary-ideology

Rose of Dawn's video is worth watching as she finds some common threads:
'Radical far-left activists often co-opt unrelated movements to enforce their ideology on others. Here, I take a look at this phenomenon taking place in the trans community'

Supermatchgame I read an interesting point on another thread which went a bit like this -if you transition you commit to living your life as the gender you identify with. So trans men who are pregnant won’t be in compliance with that so are legally still considered as women. That was how I interpreted it.
But also, is that train of thought not the very start of the slippery slope to ‘erasure’...

Update to thread:
GCN (Gay Community News) article:
'Mary Lou McDonald Calls For Abortion Legislation To Be Inclusive Of Trans, Non-Binary And Intersex People
The Sinn Féin leader urged the government to ensure that trans, non-binary and intersex people are included in the wording of the bill.'
17 OCTOBER, 2018.

"Amid Dáil debate over the legislation of abortion services, the Sinn Féin leader Mary Lou McDonald has called for increased clarity in the abortion bill, as well as for the wording of the legislation to be inclusive of transgender, non-binary and intersex people.

McDonald also urged members of the Oireachtas not to delay the legislation through “filibustering”.

McDonald said: “This legislation will require very, very careful thought and deliberation.”

Additionally, McDonald stressed that the language of the abortion bill must be reflective of the “diversity of the society in which we live”.

“I am asking very, very simply that we have a full, deliberative and frank debate. But I am appealing to colleagues not to abuse the rules and regulations and latitude of the houses of the Oireachtas to delay and delay and delay legislation which already carries the democratic imprimatur and approval of the Irish people”.

Solidarity/People Before Profit TD Paul Murphy echoed McDonald’s concerns regarding the exclusion of trans, non-binary and intersex people from the wording of the bill. Murphy said that trans and intersex people may encounter difficulties seeking termination services if the legislation exclusively refers to women.

“Trans men have the capacity to become pregnant, as do non-binary people, but certainly under any strict reading of the bill, [they] would be unable to access abortion”.

Murphy said he would be eager to hear the government’s response to his concerns, and urged them to include more inclusive terms in the wording of the bill.
Earlier this month, Minister for Health Simon Harris introduced a bill that would legalise abortion services in Ireland.

Harris spoke about the need to legislate as soon as possible:

“Today we begin the job [the voters] have given us, of making the law that follows the repeal of the Eighth Amendment and after 35 years in the Constitution, in doing so we are also making history.”

The government are aiming for the bill legalising abortion services to be passed well in advance of 2019."

gcn.ie/mary-lou-mcdonald-abortion-legislation-inclusive-trans-non-binary-intersex-people/