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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

A letter to a female transactivist

237 replies

Destinysdaughter · 26/05/2018 22:50

Just saw this on Twitter. Brilliant

"A man is not a woman. There’s no medical procedure that can change sex in humans or any other mammal. When you fight for the right of men to call themselves “women” and enter woman-only spaces on the basis of their say so, you are doing what Men’s Rights Activists have always done. You are violating women’s boundaries for personal gain. You are allowing men to colonise women’s spaces. You are creating a climate of fear where women and girls will start to withdraw from public life, because all semblance of safety – access to sex seggregated spaces when they are vulnerable – will be destroyed. Your activism is not feminism, it’s at best a misguided naiveté, and at worst opportunism to get ahead while throwing other women under the bus. And by the time you realise how foolish you’ve been, because you are “just” a woman in those men’s eyes, it’ll be too late. The way entitled men disrespect women, the way they mow women down, the way they put their own needs, feelings and wants before women’s lives and livelihoods, they’ll do the same to you when you’re no longer useful to them."

lascapigliata8.wordpress.com/2018/04/28/a-letter-to-a-female-trans-activist/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

OP posts:
LangCleg · 29/05/2018 09:16

My ex husband called his sister a half woman which was a really cruel thing to say.

You haven't got an ex-husband.

gendercritter · 29/05/2018 09:26

A woman who has a hysterectomy is still a woman...but some of the extremist on her make out otherwise.

If you can find a single post saying this directly or implying it, I'll eat my hat.

Only TRA's come out with this sort of thing as if it's a logical argument. It isn't.

As someone else said, only women can have hysterectomies. Perhaps you would benefit from watching about why a woman without a womb is still a woman. It's explained very simply.

SeahorsesAREhorses · 29/05/2018 09:29

No feminist on here has ever said that women who have hysterectomies are not women, what a silly thing to say.

Women exist, we are half the human race. Stop the woman phobia, stop trying to erase my sex.

Terfulike · 29/05/2018 09:33

How do you know lang. I bet they didn't say that though.

I think, besides being grossly offensive, this particular argument by TIMs is related to their lack of knowledge on basic biology.

All cells produced by your body contain the sex chromosomes. If an organ is removed eg the spleen, the rest of the body's cells remain their original sex. A TIM in no way resembles a woman, whether pre or post hysterectomy. Each cell of a tim is male, including the ones in his fashioned vagina.

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 29/05/2018 09:33

A woman who has a hysterectomy is still a woman...but some of the extremist on her make out otherwise

Thats a lie

R0wantrees · 29/05/2018 09:34

My ex husband called his sister a half woman which was a really cruel thing to say.

Yes, some men say cruel things about women and demonstrate their complete lack of understanding about hysterectomies, the menopause and what makes a women.

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 29/05/2018 09:34

Oooh bold fail

(Still a lie even if I can't bold it)

Terfulike · 29/05/2018 09:37

I think I know what is meant by the term 'presence'. It's the presence of chromosomes. A woman has a presence of XX in all her cells.

SeahorsesAREhorses · 29/05/2018 09:46

It is so odd isn't it, we are called extremists for being able to name facts about women. This is how far we have come and it exposes transactivism for the assault on women that it is. They want to take everything from us, our spaces, our words, our sports. Oh, and they want us to cheer them on while we see our rights dismantled and rebuilt around sexist stereotypes.

Babdoc · 29/05/2018 09:50

Anushka: “A woman who has a hysterectomy is still a woman”.

Absolutely- and by the same token
“A man who cuts his dick off is STILL A MAN!”
Case rests, m’lud.

Anushkashsmum · 29/05/2018 10:12

Your arrogance is unbelievable.. I have two ex husbands.. I'm a mum of three daughters.. Open minded and don't believe in the cruelty and transphobic expressed on here.. Most of you are just mad!

terfinginthevoid · 29/05/2018 10:23

The only 'presence' required to be a woman is the presence of a female reproductive system.

Bowlofbabelfish · 29/05/2018 10:27

But do you believe humans can change sex anushkasmum?

It’s a really simple question. Nobody ever actually says yes to it. And yet women and children are being asked to give up protections based on believing it.

And yet no one actually is willing to say they believe it. Do you believe that humans can change sex?

Bowlofbabelfish · 29/05/2018 10:27

What cruelty, by the way? Can you say which posts you think are cruel and why?

Hyppolyta · 29/05/2018 10:52

This is why transactivists insist on no debate.

We are completely right, so the only argument they can give is insults and name calling.

Hyppolyta · 29/05/2018 10:52

This is why transactivists insist on no debate.

We are completely right, so the only argument they can give is insults and name calling.

TerfsUp · 29/05/2018 10:57

Yep. Hyppolyta said it well so it was worth repeating.

Thank goodness we have someone here to mansplain to us feeble-minded wimmin.

Kyanite · 29/05/2018 11:03

It's not about their safety...it's about their validation.

They don't want their own spaces, they're not asking for men to be more accepting, they want women's spaces.

The Trans Ego: Why Allies are becoming TERFS medium.com/@oliviabroustra/the-trans-ego-why-allies-are-becoming-terfs-998e127ae896

SeahorsesAREhorses · 29/05/2018 12:56

Anush wanting children to accept their bodies and sexuality is not mad, quite sane really. I want kids to be happy and healthy, gay or straight, it's all cool.

A movement that seeks to block hormones and give cross sex hormones is, in my opinion, quite, quite mad.

Wanting to retain my sex based rights and protections is not mad, again quite, quite sane.

A movement that seeks to ensure women and girls can never have anything without males being present is, in my opinion, quite, quite mad.

Do you think women and girls have too many rights?

TerfsUp · 29/05/2018 13:46

It's not about their safety...it's about their validation

Precisely.

Anushkashsmum · 29/05/2018 14:36

Seahorses... I agree with most of what you say.. Of course women and girls don't have too many rights! The more the better!.. I have three daughters. I don't agree with giving children life changing hormone until they are old enough to fully understand the consequences.. And I think that's where the dilemma comes in. Who decidesd at what age a child can be responsible for its own body? If pre pubescent boy knows he is going to live his life as female, and meets all the psychological evaluations etc.. Just what harm is that youth doing to anyone by transitioning? I really don't understand why these fanatic on here have such a problem with trans people? I wonder if they majority on here are heterosexual? Any lesbians.. If so how can gay women (still minority group) attack another minority group? Just saying.. My humble opinion as a Handmaiden 😂

R0wantrees · 29/05/2018 14:44

Anushkashsmum
There's a very recent thread which you may be interested in, with regards women who are lesbians and post here:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3259650-Lesbian-gets-banned-from-LGBTQ-messaged-board-for-trying-to-talk-about-the-lesbophobia-in-trans-activism

SeahorsesAREhorses · 29/05/2018 14:49

Anush he harms himself.

He also harms girls as they are told theymust give way because he feels sad. They lower their boundaries and are told they must give way to a sad boy. They learn that their sex is the stereotype, not the biological reality that is their lives.

He also harms any female he takes things from, their sport, their spaces, their awards.

A movement based on sexist stereotypes and inner feelings that tramples over girls rights is deeply harmful.

SeahorsesAREhorses · 29/05/2018 14:51

There are many lesbians on here, and mothers of lesbians.

I think you will find lesbians are the group under attack.

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 29/05/2018 14:51

Anush Pre - pubescent children are not able to make such a decision.

And if you are going to advocate that they are old enough to make such a life changing decision, which other life changing decisions should they be allowed to make if they 'know' they are right? Marriage? Sex? Alcohol? Joining the Army? The point is that children need to be protected, even from themselves, until they are old enough to make informed mature decisions. It's pretty ridiculous that you need this to be pointed out to you.