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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

A letter to a female transactivist

237 replies

Destinysdaughter · 26/05/2018 22:50

Just saw this on Twitter. Brilliant

"A man is not a woman. There’s no medical procedure that can change sex in humans or any other mammal. When you fight for the right of men to call themselves “women” and enter woman-only spaces on the basis of their say so, you are doing what Men’s Rights Activists have always done. You are violating women’s boundaries for personal gain. You are allowing men to colonise women’s spaces. You are creating a climate of fear where women and girls will start to withdraw from public life, because all semblance of safety – access to sex seggregated spaces when they are vulnerable – will be destroyed. Your activism is not feminism, it’s at best a misguided naiveté, and at worst opportunism to get ahead while throwing other women under the bus. And by the time you realise how foolish you’ve been, because you are “just” a woman in those men’s eyes, it’ll be too late. The way entitled men disrespect women, the way they mow women down, the way they put their own needs, feelings and wants before women’s lives and livelihoods, they’ll do the same to you when you’re no longer useful to them."

lascapigliata8.wordpress.com/2018/04/28/a-letter-to-a-female-trans-activist/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

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AncientLights · 28/05/2018 13:11

@Anushkashsmum
Quote: I couldn't agree more... Trans people don't choose their path in life.. Yet they abuse they receive is heartbreaking... Especially from 'mothers' who are by nature meant to be caring and nurturing x

Mothers are 'supposed' to be caring & nurturing to their own offspring, especially when said offspring are small. Are you saying that, because this is Mumsnet (where, btw, not all are mothers or even women) that we should spend our time be soft & cuddly? Biscuit recipes and cute kittens only? No critical thinking allowed because some of us have kids and we must apply those soft, cuddly feelings to all and sundry, no matter what batshit for brains they may have.

Get real.

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 28/05/2018 13:17

Yep, TIM alert.

PencilsInSpace · 28/05/2018 13:27

I couldn't agree more...

Pack it in then. This is a thread about female transactivists. Young women like , female-non-binary-style-people like .

LangCleg · 28/05/2018 13:28

I failed female socialisation so appeals to it do nothing for me.

PencilsInSpace · 28/05/2018 13:28

Especially from 'mothers' who are by nature meant to be caring and nurturing

Oh please tell us more about how we are 'by nature meant to be' Grin

(pssst - your slip's showing, mate Wink)

AngryAttackKittens · 28/05/2018 13:34

Well, I'm not a mum so I guess it's OK if I don't feel like nurturing randoms who're shouting nonsense at me then?

spontaneousgiventime · 28/05/2018 13:44

All these handmaidens will see soon enough they are nothing to the TRA and MRA. For now, they are a means to an end. Get the reforms through the TRA and MRA want and the handmaidens will be jettisoned. They are women, so great to use to do the leg work but never to accept as equals, by then of course it will be too late.

Anushkashsmum · 28/05/2018 13:52

Haha 😂 and here's me thinking you had be be fully fledged members of the WI... Being allowed to have an opinion works both ways as does choice of partners and friends.. Some on here need to remember that.

Bowlofbabelfish · 28/05/2018 18:50

Anushkasmum

Yes/no question for you. It’s a simple one.

Do you believe humans can change sex?

Elendon · 28/05/2018 19:45

Men/males/boys are are lot more complicated than they give themselves credit for.

It was after all men who legislated to abolish gay men, some of these men were gay in 'heterosexual' marriages. They medicated 'feminine' men to 'correct' them. Even men who were heterosexual but not fully partaking of a 'male' way of life were targeted.

soapboxqueen · 28/05/2018 20:00

I think for a lot of younger women the true face of patriarchy hasn't hit them yet. They believe that most issues have been resolved and the ones that are left are universal.

I think the ones that do see some of the issues but can't align that knowledge within the current climate come out as non-binary or similar. They reject the pornified culture that is womanhood but don't know how to do that through a Libfem ideology so reject womanhood entirely.

jedenfalls · 28/05/2018 20:09

soapbox totally agree. And one thinks that’s really apparent to me now I’m over 40 and therefore unfuckable and invisible is that men weren’t interested in me or my opinions or knowledge they just wanted a fuck. Especially in the workplace (NAMALT obvs)

That’s why we all turn into bitter lesbian feminists when we get old (!). We suddenly realise that we were never equal, they just wanted into our pants. And were prepared to pretend for as long as it took.

soapboxqueen · 28/05/2018 20:24

Agreed Jeden. I also think I bought into 'the world is your oyster' 'nothing can hold you back 'because that's what I was told.

Then, for me at least, I had children and I started to notice how much we fall into traditional patterns so very quickly. It's really obvious on the school run. I'm now a stay at home mum and carer.

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 28/05/2018 20:37

I don't feel like nurturing randoms who're shouting nonsense at me then?

Thats every day in my house Grin

Anushkashsmum · 28/05/2018 20:39

I don't have a clue what a TIM, MRA or TRA is.. I'm OK with my BBC, ITV, and B&Q and of course.. LGBT 😀.. There are so many aggressive women in here? Maybe spending time with some lovely gentle trans ladies I know might help??

TerfsUp · 28/05/2018 20:42

Especially from 'mothers' who are by nature meant to be caring and nurturing x

Biscuit
CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 28/05/2018 20:49

Are the 'gentle' ladies ladying better than us? Fucking hope so. I'd really hate for anyone to mistake me for a laydee.

Hyppolyta · 28/05/2018 20:53

I havent seen any agression.

Although many males do have pre conceived ideas of how women should behave, the female gender , so think that TIMs do a better job of being women than us women.

Of course, thats utter deluded bollocks spouted by men.

TerfsUp · 28/05/2018 20:54

There are so many aggressive women in here? Maybe spending time with some lovely gentle trans ladies I know might help??

No, thank you. I don't need someone with XY chromosomes telling me how to be female.

sanluca · 28/05/2018 21:07

I don't have a clue what a TIM, MRA or TRA is.. I'm OK with my BBC, ITV, and B&Q and of course.. LGBT 😀.. There are so many aggressive women in here? Maybe spending time with some lovely gentle trans ladies I know might help??

Hahaha, yeah, not buying that for a minute. You know what it all means, why else drop in and tell us how harmless transwomen are. I am sure all the ones you know are lovely, but the ones that are taking the spotlights irl and online are vile women haters. And it shows. How anyone can support them is beyond me. I would have told them to shut up and come back when they have learned to listen. But that's the mother in me.

Anushkashsmum · 28/05/2018 21:42

I genuinely don't know what these abbreviations mean? Or why "certainhalfdesertedstreets" or some thing silly like that, is so angry and nasty. Live & let live?

PencilsInSpace · 28/05/2018 21:53

Maybe come back when you've read the article in the OP and are ready to engage with its content, rather than just telling us we're mean and not womaning properly.

Anushkashsmum · 28/05/2018 21:55

I'm a mother to three beautiful girls.. One is gay... Is that contagious by any chance?? BTW Pencilsinspace, I'm not your mate. You and so many others on here are toxic☠️

PencilsInSpace · 28/05/2018 22:03

Are the 'gentle' ladies ladying better than us? Fucking hope so. I'd really hate for anyone to mistake me for a laydee.

FWIW, I'd personally be happy to forego the word 'lady' if we can keep 'woman' and 'female' - 'trans ladies are ladies' - I'd be happy with that.

I don't want to tread on toes though, is anyone else deeply attached to the term?

Anushkashsmum · 28/05/2018 22:05

Anatomically yes.. can't change DNA.. A womb can't be recreated.. Yet.. But then a young girl who has to has a hysterectomy due to cancer at 16..is she no longer a woman? And I'm sure you don't need a lesson on chromosomes?? Being a woman is more than just physical.. Its a presence.. I'm sure half of the haters on here need a shave than a lot of men... 😂