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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

A letter to a female transactivist

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Destinysdaughter · 26/05/2018 22:50

Just saw this on Twitter. Brilliant

"A man is not a woman. There’s no medical procedure that can change sex in humans or any other mammal. When you fight for the right of men to call themselves “women” and enter woman-only spaces on the basis of their say so, you are doing what Men’s Rights Activists have always done. You are violating women’s boundaries for personal gain. You are allowing men to colonise women’s spaces. You are creating a climate of fear where women and girls will start to withdraw from public life, because all semblance of safety – access to sex seggregated spaces when they are vulnerable – will be destroyed. Your activism is not feminism, it’s at best a misguided naiveté, and at worst opportunism to get ahead while throwing other women under the bus. And by the time you realise how foolish you’ve been, because you are “just” a woman in those men’s eyes, it’ll be too late. The way entitled men disrespect women, the way they mow women down, the way they put their own needs, feelings and wants before women’s lives and livelihoods, they’ll do the same to you when you’re no longer useful to them."

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LaSqrrl · 28/05/2018 00:28

Shouldn't it be "Aunts" or "Commanders Wives" rather than Handmaids?

Yes, within the context of the book. But also, it is 'handmaiden' (not 'handmaid', even though sometimes used interchangeably), and more along the lines of the older meaning:
something, such as an idea, that helps and supports something else

Online feminists have been using that term for collaborators for decades now. Recently though, I had been using the term 'sex traitor', because mainly I am 90% evil and stuff.

wishiwassizeeight · 28/05/2018 06:52

Sex traitor is a good description. I see female TRAs and handmaidens as utter traitors to their sex, personally.

Cunstancemarkiewicz · 28/05/2018 07:15

You don't need to look to dystopian fiction for comparisons. In ISIS-ruled Syria and Iraq, they had female morality police whose job was to police the other women, reporting them for not covering their faces or other infractions. They sometimes dispensed summary justice themselves. Many of the morality police were European born and raised. Sad

flashnazia · 28/05/2018 07:54

Anushka, nobody is saying that trans ppl are bad or awful. That's an assumption you made.

LangCleg · 28/05/2018 08:34

Online feminists have been using that term for collaborators for decades now. Recently though, I had been using the term 'sex traitor', because mainly I am 90% evil and stuff.

Only 90%? I think we should do better. Let's have a competition to see who can get to 95% first!

wishiwassizeeight · 28/05/2018 08:35

Sadly there will always be women who are prepared to throw other women under the bus for their own benefit.

In the case of women like Ash whatsername and Laurie Penny, they do it for male approval and virtue cookies as misogynists like Owen Jones and Paris Lees and Shon Faye tell them what good girls they are.

What they don’t realise is that they will say or do the wrong thing eventually and be branded as terfs along with the rest of us.

I also think once the zeitgeist has moved on and we look back at this time in history as a time when misogyny was allowed to go unchecked under the pretence of advancement of civil rights and women were silenced, these silly fools will try to distance themselves from their previous behaviour.

Sadly for them it’s all there in black and white, how they centred males in feminism and fought to undo women’s hard won rights, services and spaces.

dontstoprepealin · 28/05/2018 08:58

Yes, I noticed a very well known Irish repealer being called out by that crowd for not doing enough to centre trans people, despite her endless fawning over them in general. Nothing is ever enough. Remember it happened to Jack Monroe?

The Trans voices 4 repeal people also attacked anyone who associated with "that Terf Glinner". That would be Graham Linehan, who shared his and his wife's story of her termination due to fatal foetal anomaly. Graham Linehan who gave his time and used his profile to raise awareness of this vital aspect of the abortion debate. They really are arseholes.

TimeLady · 28/05/2018 09:11

You don't need to look to dystopian fiction for comparisons. In ISIS-ruled Syria and Iraq, they had female morality police whose job was to police the other women, reporting them for not covering their faces or other infractions. They sometimes dispensed summary justice themselves. Many of the morality police were European born and raised.

It struck me that ISIS and The Handmaid's Tale had a lot in common too.

TERFragetteCity · 28/05/2018 09:15

I don't mind sharing my bathroom with a trans woman.

That's nice dear.

A letter to a female transactivist
A letter to a female transactivist
AngryAttackKittens · 28/05/2018 09:25

Only 90%? I think we should do better. Let's have a competition to see who can get to 95% first!

You rang? I have no fucks left to give and will happily point out to handmaidens that throwing other women under the bus won't win them any respect from men - they'll get thrown right under themselves as soon as they're no longer useful.

PencilsInSpace · 28/05/2018 09:32

Was it ever decided what the nice, non-transphobic term is for those bin rummagers if we can't say AGP?

AngryAttackKittens · 28/05/2018 09:42

I'm guessing "creepy pervert" is officially out.

TERFragetteCity · 28/05/2018 09:45

Has anyone got a link to that video of a TRA who was pulled back from attacking a woman, by a TRA supporter (woman) and who went to thump her for holding him back, until another man stepped in?

It is like transactivism in ten seconds.

When they say 'enjoy your erasure' - they mean you too!

AngryAttackKittens · 28/05/2018 09:46

You mean cyan jacket and shorts over leggings at Hyde Park and ponytail guy who advanced on her in classic male pattern back down now or I'll make you manner?

PencilsInSpace · 28/05/2018 09:52
from about 16 seconds.
Terfulike · 28/05/2018 09:54

I wonder if Ash is aware of bin rummagers. I wasn't until yesterday. I'd love to know her view.

What it reminded me of is those vending machines in Japan where men can buy nicely packaged used female underwear.

Thankfully I don't think even woke Britainia is ready to install used tampon/pad machines for autogynaphiles next to the regular vending machines in the ladies.

PencilsInSpace · 28/05/2018 10:01

Thankfully I don't think even woke Britainia is ready to install used tampon/pad machines for autogynaphiles next to the regular vending machines in the ladies. Envy

In 1994 the correct term was 'transvestic fetishists'. I wonder if that's still OK or if there's a more correct term these days. Wouldn't want to get it wrong and erase anybody.

A letter to a female transactivist
AngryAttackKittens · 28/05/2018 10:10

Of course they could just clean house and push the AGPs out from under the umbrella.

No? Not going to do that? Well then, we'll just have to keep pointing out that they're there and what that means for women.

LangCleg · 28/05/2018 10:48

You rang? I have no fucks left to give.

You're a candidate for the full 100%, right?!

Anushkashsmum · 28/05/2018 12:11

How can having a partner who is trans or even friends who are trans.. Somehow become so twisted by extreme feminist..be likened to ISIS.. totally crazy... From the lipstick lesbian now Handmaiden xxx

PencilsInSpace · 28/05/2018 12:38

How can 'being a female transactivist' somehow become so twisted by disingenuous posters to mean 'anybody with a trans partner or friend'? Hmm

There's an amazing twitter thread here about the lessons we can learn from the many times in history when totalitarianism has arisen from student movements and academia.

Anushkashsmum · 28/05/2018 12:42

I couldn't agree more... Trans people don't choose their path in life.. Yet they abuse they receive is heartbreaking... Especially from 'mothers' who are by nature meant to be caring and nurturing x

LaSqrrl · 28/05/2018 12:53

You rang? I have no fucks left to give and will happily point out to handmaidens that throwing other women under the bus won't win them any respect from men - they'll get thrown right under themselves as soon as they're no longer useful.

Clearly I have a lot of evil to catch up on then! I bow to The Kittens.
You are totally right that there is a cozy place under the bus for them, when no longer useful to men.

LaSqrrl · 28/05/2018 12:58

wish
In the case of women like Ash whatsername and Laurie Penny, they do it for male approval and virtue cookies as misogynists like Owen Jones and Paris Lees and Shon Faye tell them what good girls they are.

What they don’t realise is that they will say or do the wrong thing eventually and be branded as terfs along with the rest of us.

Laurie, aka Penny Red, has already (years ago) said something very mildly questioning about trans - and got subsequently hammered for it (and then she bent over backwards to appease them). Hence my above comment:
And tweet it to Penny Red. Clueless woman who will never get a clue.

Throwing women under a bus is her mission in life it seems. Already have done 20 rounds with her on paid rape.

LaSqrrl · 28/05/2018 13:01

Yet they abuse they receive is heartbreaking... Especially from 'mothers' who are by nature meant to be caring and nurturing

I guess you are a TIM Anush? You sound like one. The sob story of the abuse they receive (but crickets on the abuse online feminists receive) and then go onto 1) blame mothers (what's with the single scare quotes?) and 2) assume all women who give birth must be nurturing, or death to them? All male-think. You might want to work on that.