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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Strong words from feminists unhappy with trans exclusionary ideology..

374 replies

crispbuttyfan · 23/05/2018 18:57

freedomnews.org.uk/its-spelt-sisterhood-not-cis-terhood-statement/

a little taster of the content, not my words....

"We are disgusted by the TERF techniques of bullying trans people and their friends and comrades. TERFs stand against a vulnerable minority by refusing their right to exist, using their dead names, doxxing them, smearing them online and in the press and waging a fear campaign, all whilst accusing trans women of being a possible legal and physical threat to cis women. These techniques are not consistent with their announced aim of getting legislation refused by parliament and belie the TERFs real agenda of intolerance.

We are sick and tired of TERF alarmism. There is no evidence that trans women are in any way a threat to cis women. To the contrary, there is a lot of evidence that TERFs feed the prejudice against trans women. The countries which introduced their own versions of GRA are not experiencing the problems the TERFs associate with allowing trans people to determine their own gender."

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Noqonterfi · 23/05/2018 20:49

Nope you didn't crisp. You supplied evidence that women are supportive of trans people in so far that they don't wish them any harm, think they should live their lives however they wish, which no doubt is true. I certainly believe that. You provided no evidence that the majority of women are in support of self ID, despite you repeating over and over again that they are. The only evidence (provided by someone else) actually shows the majority of women ARE NOT in favour of self ID. I'll ignore the childish comment. I know you're just lashing out because you have no evidence and you feel backed into a corner. Which is why you vanished. That's ok. I understand ;-)

Pratchet · 23/05/2018 20:53

Any woman who says no has the human right of consent. No one can take that away from her.

Baroquehavoc · 23/05/2018 20:55

When the TERFs recently prosecuted an anarchist trans woman for assault, with the help of the metropolitan police and the magistrates court,

It seems from this quote is that TRA are against women contacted the police when they are assaulted. (I assume that this is what they mean, I don't think 'terfs' have the power to prosecute anyone). How does this fit with the 'you are perfectly safe in unisex facilities because you can contact the police if attacked'?

wishiwassizeeight · 23/05/2018 20:56

How absolutely laughable.

Classic DARVO.

‘Feminists’ indeed. What next? A letter from the Ku Klux Klan telling Black Live Matter they’re racist?

wishiwassizeeight · 23/05/2018 20:57

Are you not even a little bit embarrassed to have shared this drivel OP?

Sarahconnor1 · 23/05/2018 21:03

Baroquehavoc. Ironic because at the moment TRAs are having an organised mass reporting of gender critical women and men to get them banned from Twitter, ditto with suspensions from the Labour party etc. Yet they get upset when a TIM in their 20s is reported to the police for physically attacking a women in her 60s.

The hypocrisy is astounding.

ScrumpyBetty · 23/05/2018 21:11

Someone I know posted this same article on facebook today. People commenting:"So good to see all the thinking anarcho groups rising up against this bigotry masquerading as politics"
Really tempted to comment....but I don't have the energy to get in to a massive argument and I know I'll just get piled on and called a TERF Sad

QuoadUltra · 23/05/2018 21:14

Are you not even a little bit embarrassed to have shared this drivel OP?

Of course the OP isn’t embarrassed. How else would a ridiculously grandiose piece of illogical twaddle get the kind of coverage we are giving it here? Grin

QuoadUltra · 23/05/2018 21:15

all the thinking anarcho groups

gendercritter · 23/05/2018 21:15

I'm cringing with embarrassment on behalf of the women who signed that document. It is so poorly written. It's full of hyperbole for one.

If I was an employer and found a prospective employee had signed this, it would put me off them completely. I'd take it as a sign they were lacking any brain cells and move on to another candidate.

ChickenMe · 23/05/2018 21:18

Just looked on their FB page. They've not many people interested but cringe at the handmaidens queuing up to add their signature

R0wantrees · 23/05/2018 21:29

Wider context of the letter.

Strong words from feminists unhappy with trans exclusionary ideology..
UpstartCrow · 23/05/2018 21:31

''We do not believe they are victims''

That goes against the We Believe you campaign.

FarFrom · 23/05/2018 21:34

‘Someone I know posted this same article on facebook today. People commenting:"So good to see all the thinking anarcho groups rising up against this bigotry masquerading as politics"
Really tempted to comment....but I don't have the energy to get in to a massive argument and I know I'll just get piled on and called a TERF sad’ @scrumpybetty I can understand that. It’s hard to be a lone or minority voice - it often means people give up putting their view forward. On this board it’s the other way round- look at the pile on on crispbutty- or on others on other threads. Whatever ‘side’ one is on- this is not helpful or healthy and is silencing.

Hackedoffwoman · 23/05/2018 21:42

There is no TERFS , this is nonsense. They are are trying to frame gender critical women as a group rather than women as a whole going wtf! . Everyday more and more women and now men are seeing what is really going on and we are not having it.

QuoadUltra · 23/05/2018 21:55

No one with any intellect or influence is going to read that letter about ‘the State’, or ‘snitching’ or punching almost never being a good thing, and think: yeah, here are some clever and articulate people.

I mean snitching?! I love that they sound like 14 year olds, but sadly, for us and them, some of them should have grown out of this stuff.

ScrumpyBetty · 23/05/2018 21:59

I don't know farfrom- I don't necessarily think its about sides but about expressing different points of view. I'm on the side of radical feminist, yes, but that doesn't mean I'm anti trans. I agree that we all head to spaces where we can talk to others who share our views but there is danger of being in an echo chamber. However I don't agree that Mumsnet piles on/ gangs up on 'others'- I think it encourages debate, and the debate is critical and fast moving and many people cannot handle that. I have seen some really good debates on here. I think it is the TRAs actually, who try to shut down any debate and do not engage with anyone with a differing opinion.

Noqonterfi · 23/05/2018 21:59

They are are trying to frame gender critical women as a group rather than women as a whole going wtf

Yep.

thebewilderness · 23/05/2018 22:04

I'm still yet to see anyone, anywhere, so-called TERF or bigot, left or right wing, male or female or whatever, refuse or deny trans women's right to exist.

If we do not affirm them we deny them.
In the war on women you are either with the transgender advocates or you are against them.

LaSqrrl · 23/05/2018 22:06

Classic DARVO.
Whenever someone needs an example of DARVO, the copy/paste in the OP should do nicely.

Freespeecher · 23/05/2018 22:08

What's that? The Anarchist Press unhappy with resistance to their attempts to impose order? I see...

(Also, hats off to Truscum. Living life in the crosshairs can't be fun).

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