Strong words from feminists unhappy with trans exclusionary ideology..

[crispbuttyfan]

freedomnews.org.uk/its-spelt-sisterhood-not-cis-terhood-statement/

a little taster of the content, not my words....

"We are disgusted by the TERF techniques of bullying trans people and their friends and comrades. TERFs stand against a vulnerable minority by refusing their right to exist, using their dead names, doxxing them, smearing them online and in the press and waging a fear campaign, all whilst accusing trans women of being a possible legal and physical threat to cis women. These techniques are not consistent with their announced aim of getting legislation refused by parliament and belie the TERFs real agenda of intolerance.

We are sick and tired of TERF alarmism. There is no evidence that trans women are in any way a threat to cis women. To the contrary, there is a lot of evidence that TERFs feed the prejudice against trans women. The countries which introduced their own versions of GRA are not experiencing the problems the TERFs associate with allowing trans people to determine their own gender."

pombear

I also don’t care what consenting adults do in their spare time. What I object to is being forced to be part of someone else’s sexual activity without my consent.

There is no other sphere in which that is not considered some type of assault.

I've watched Tara's workshop.
There is a great deal that I agree with and recognise such as improving communication with patients, recognising barriers to accessing care.

The 'hello, my name is' campaign started by Dr Kate Grainger has done a great deal.
hellomynameis.org.uk
The 'Sage & Thyme' effective communication skills training originates in the Manchester Cancer network. www.sageandthymetraining.org.uk

As someone who has been involved (following my own cancer diagnosis) with promoting better services and outcomes for women with gyny cancer, there are some aspects of the talk that Tara gave that I find concerning.

Women's gyny cancer treatment in the UK has a low level of awareness, research limited by funding and poorer outcomes than many comparable countries. Charities, patient groups and medical practitioners have been trying to improve the way that women's needs are recognised and supported better. There is still much to be done.

eveappeal.org.uk/gynaecological-cancers/
"Each year in the UK, over 21,000 women are diagnosed with a form of gynaecological cancer. This equates to 58 women receiving this life-changing news every day. Sadly 21 women will die from a gynaecological cancer every day.

That's far too many mothers, wives, daughters, partners and friends in our opinion, and at The Eve Appeal we're determined to change this. Part of our mission is to ensure that women and men are aware of what to look out for, because recognising gynaecological cancer symptoms can mean an earlier diagnosis, leading to a better outcome.
Yet despite these grim statistics, gynaecological cancers are neither a well-profiled nor a well-funded cause"

We need to be able to talk about gynaecology.

Tara's suggestion in the talk for example that information leaflets should not be binary sex-specific, is a particular concern in the context of women's gyny health.

This is not to say that additional resources couldn't / shouldn't be created. Just as happens for other groups with specific needs eg Ashkenazi Jewish women who have a higher risk of ovarian cancer.

A lot of women who support allowing access to female only spaces to a tiny group they see as hugely vulnerable gay men who've had surgery change their tack when they realize that the majority of TIM these days are fully intact fetishists who are sexually attracted to women.

twitter.com/RadfemJana/status/1000335041296326656
Jana Cornel:
"I have a name. I am Jana. I suffered FGM and you say I speak of it to "justify transphobia". No. I speak of it because it is the reality of being a female. It is my biological reality and the reality for millions of my sisters. It's not an identity or gender."

With regards the workshop by Tara Hewitt. There is a balance to be sought between respectful and inclusive communication and biological reality. Especially within oncology medical services.

Definitely. And telling a room full of what looked like mostly women, some of whom may have experienced it (since Tara is such a fan of probability statistics) that breast cancer is more devastating to trans identified males because dysphoria and having to work harder to get breasts probably isn't it.

Morgane Oger and Tara Hewitt are quite similar actually. I've argued with them both on social media. And neither of them have a scrap of empathy for women.

breast cancer is more devastating to trans identified males because dysphoria and having to work harder to get breasts probably isn't it

Yes, because watching your Mum die of breast cancer. Then both her sisters being diagnosed and losing breasts. Then you wake up every day and wonder if today you are going to find a lump, if it is going to be ok, will you lose just a lump, or one breast or two. Poor trans identified males though, they have it so fucking bad eh.

So sorry

Thank you Ereshkigal. There are some things that hurt, the cotton ceiling peaked me, but breast cancer hurts more women that it will ever hurt men or trans identified men.

Men do suffer from breast cancer, though.

With obesity rates increasing, breast cancer in men is on the rise.

This awful illness shouldn't be a trans issue. 😔

Men might. But not in the numbers women do. The fear of it isn't something they live with every day, because the numbers are so small they don't have to think about it.

Even so, male breast cancer is very rare. Less than one percent of all breast cancer cases develop in men, and only one in a thousand men will ever be diagnosed with breast cancer. Breast cancer in men is usually detected as a hard lump underneath the nipple and areola

Did anyone else spot this?

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/first-dates-diner-born-wrong-race-syndrome-cultural-appropriation-twitter-a8368986.html

"A woman who took part in Channel 4’s First Dates has sparked backlash by saying that she believes she was born into the wrong race."

Tanas statement on breast cancer is disgraceful

We are back to this victim ladder aren’t we? This ‘my victimhood is worse than yours you must centre me in everything ever.’

The fact is that breast cancer affects men and women. That it predominantly affects women. That it can also affect men - and then from there your public health awareness is ‘possible signs and symptoms/get checked. Etc.’

It’s like heart attacks - both sexes get them and it can present differently in each sex. This is NOT a fucking cue to whine on about whose heart attacks are worse though is it? It’s a cue to say men and women get heart attacks. Here’s how they present in each sex and here are the signs you should watch for.

Cancer kills people. To use it as a weapon to make oneself a bigger victim is just incredibly distasteful. I can only imagine the reactions of medics to being forced to listen to such shit. What a waste of their fucking time.

FlippinFumin
I know & I agree.

I've heard two mainstream TV discussions where TRAs have appropriated the experience of women who have had hysterectomies to make a semantic argument of them being 'similarly female'. This went unchallenged by both hosts, Victoria Derbyshire and Cathy Newman. I had a hysterectomy as a medical necessity (whilst we were trying to start a family) and know other younger women who have similarly had to deal with the wider consequences of having to make this choice/ accept the need for this operation due to their BRCA status or cancer diagnosis.

The silence at the end of Tara's video is telling. Certainly, some relevant points are made, such as the importance of getting to hard-to-reach groups, but that doesn't negate the bonkersness of the generality. As to the false naming of parts, why should health workers collude with calling a penis a clitoris and all the other incorrect terminology? If trans people aren't prepared to 'educate' HCPs, then how can they learn about what are anatomical curiosities? I was especially struck by the revelation about the transwoman's urethra emerging in a different place. How would you know that without being told?

There is a lot of research about the benefits of the 'expert patient' and I would think that encouraging and empowering people who are transgender (as with any group) to be able to share their personal details would be hugely beneficial.

In fairness to Tara I think when she says any questions a voice shouts (from the back) something that I'd interpret 'We've run out of time.'

But I could be being generous and it could have been something else.

The fact that the blond woman with the microphone says something like "Thanks for everybody's time." does suggest they may have run out of time.

R0wantrees I do agree with that, expert patient stuff.

'any questions?'

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oh there it is that's the first time that glitch has got me.

Part of being an 'expert patient' is about understanding better the medical processes, priorities, limitations etc.
Tara makes reference to the MDT (Multi Disciplinary Team). This is a core feature of oncology decision making where each individual's treatment plan is discussed. These are attended by surgeons, radiographers, oncologists CNSs etc. She references that whilst medical practitioners may use preferred pronouns when talking with the patient who is transgender, at MDT they may use the 'sex' pronoun.

The amount of nuanced medical discussion needed for each individual with a cancer diagnosis can be considerable. Complex decisions are discussed. The amount of time available for each case is limited.

@crispbuttyfan I meant to comment on this yesterday when I saw it, but am not sure I did.

"Trans rights are only going in one direction"

I actually want trans people to have rights, (why would I not?) I want everyone to have the usual protections in law. However, I don't think forcing women to identify any male, who says so, as a woman is helpful to society. It's just dishonest.

I would hope that trans rights will go sufficiently far for it to be safe for any male or female who identifies with/as the opposite sex to be able to dress and act and live how they want to - but without anyone having to believe people can actually change their sex, or that everyone has a gender identity etc.

"...and I have no doubt self-id will be passed as it is elsewhere in the world."

I sincerely hope it will not. If it is then it will go to show that being a woman really means nothing, if anyone can identify as such, then it is meaningless (which we women know is not the case).

I also feel for genuine trans people identifying into something that has a 'limited' 'membership' would be more satisfying for those with dysphoria.

If literally any male can say they are female how does this affect those males who have had gender re-assignment surgery (or whatever it is now called, I am not being snide I am genuinely unsure!) and have taken hormones and been assessed for dysphoria etc? The trans lobby will have destroyed any real understanding of the 'thing/being/esitsance' which hey are so keen to identify into.

"And it has no impact either way on sex-segregated spaces."

Even the suggestion of self id had brought about massive and, IMHO, damaging, changes! EG to Girl Guiding UK.

Even if it never becomes law it has already made lots of people uncertain about what they can and cannot legally do. How is that a good thing?

You'll note my words are a bit fuddled.

No, I've not been on the wine!

But it is genuinely hard to discuss this when all reasonable understanding of what we are talking about (being a woman, living as a woman, etc) is thrown up in the air by the idea that anyone can identify as either sex. Or even, perhaps, as one of a number of genders, with no real meaning behind these except what is in the head of the individual.