Meet the man standing to be a Labour party women’s officer

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blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/05/meet-the-man-standing-to-be-a-labour-party-womens-officer/

This is great - good on David Lewis. Shows the Labour Party's policy up for the nonsense it is.

If any man can say he's a woman and self identify as such.... I can't believe I am even typing these words.

It's just not possible to change your biological sex. Surely common sense is going to win through this madness?

And surveys tell us time and again, the majority of women are likely to support trans women, and the minority of men in political discourse.

I'm not sure of the extent of awareness tbh crispbuttyfan
As James Kirkup wrote in his article, blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/02/can-we-have-an-honest-debate-about-gender/
"How do you think many voters would feel if they woke up one day to find that politicians, without a real debate, had changed the rules so the definition of ‘woman’ now included anyone born male and who retained male genitalia and physiology yet who qualified as a woman simply because they signed a piece of paper saying ‘I am female’? If you really need an illustration, have a look at Mumsnet’s reaction to new guidelines for how swimming pools should accommodate trans people."

@crispbuttyfan

Do you accept David Lewis as a woman?

Although he'd be better at it than people who actively dislike women

Hear hear. What would I rather have? A born male who hates women to represent biological women, or a born male who wants to support biological women. Hmm 🤔 difficult one. Oh wait, no it's not at all ;-)

I accept David Lewis as a woman on a Wednesday. After all, his gender identity is his own business. Isn't it.

If by 'support transwomen', you mean: 'be generally nice and polite, unless given cause not to be', then I'd agree.

And surveys tell us time and again, the majority of women are likely to support trans women.

To my knowledge, the only commissioned, professional polling on GRA reform was done (in Scotland) by Wings Over Scotland. Results?

Good idea: men - 18% women 18%
Bad idea: men - 59% women 57%
Don't know: men - 24% women 25%

wingsoverscotland.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/genderq.jpg

And surveys tell us time and again, the majority of women are likely to support trans women, and the minority of men in political discourse.

I reckon I must have peak trans at least 20 women today through sharing that article on FB. Some of them had no idea. Just imagine eh. I reckon this will be the ripple in the pond effect.

I'd bet money that women responding to those surveys think trans = gender dysphoria only. They probably think most of those people have had bottom surgery. They are probably trying to be kind and it is quite likely they don't understand the full implications of being kind. I didn't before I came here. Lots of other posters have said similar.

I'm going to try identifying as a man when I have my interview next week. Statistically men have an 80% or so higher chance of getting this job, a more senior IT role. Will it work?

They are probably trying to be kind and it is quite likely they don't understand the full implications of being kind.

Yep. I thought most trans people had bottom surgery before I came here. Was quite shocked to find out the truth.

Gendercritter - your MN NN evokes a small, brown furry creature like a chinchilla but with mighty fangs.

Noqonterfi

Not on FB. Not brave enough to share widely. But the people I have spoken to also had No Idea. Also, these are nice lefty middle-aged
'support transwomen' types

gendercritter
That was very much my assumption, no half measures involved albeit its a long transitional process. I'm getting a slightly different view though I think this is slightly satirical.

I think he would make a 100% better women's officer than Madigan.

He gets it, for a start - he can see that self ID is a threat to women's equality and that Labour's policy on this is making them a laughing stock.

Madigan's idea of women's officer is to hunt down any woman who doesn't swallow trans-ideology hook, line and sinker, and get them thrown out of the party. Which is kind of fucked up. Madigan was elected a CLP "women's officer" not "witchfinder general."

The projection

This self ID conversation is utter bullshit. It’s no more than a whine at this point.

https://medium.com/@notCursedE/david-lewis-a-woman-on-wednesdays-8ff59365dd66

I think someone should do some professional polling on mixed sex overnight accommodation in guiding.

They probably think most of those people have had bottom surgery.

It didn't even occur to me that someone without would be considered trans tbh

I'd bet money that women responding to those surveys think trans = gender dysphoria only. They probably think most of those people have had bottom surgery.

Most of these "surveys" are not done by professional polling bodies and confine themselves to sharing toilets. What do we think the responses would look like if there were two questions instead of the usual one about transgender? Would you be happy to share facilities with transsexuals? Would you be happy to share facilities with cross dressers? Both trans, of course, according to Stonewall.

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To read later

I think some of the statistics which are quoted by some TRAs may come from natcen.ac.uk/our-research/research/british-social-attitudes/

The findings from the British Social Attitudes suggest that there is a decrease in prejudice towards people who are transgender as opposed to the recent claims that transphobia is increasing. I've yet to see how this second claim is measured and am curious if a large part is online responses to for example comments by LM, SF, MB etc.
It's frustrating when people don't reference the data that they are referring to as we can't understand it and sometimes claims may be made of it which don't completely reflect the context etc.

What do we think the responses would look like if there were two questions instead of the usual one about transgender?

I think that would be very enlightening. I am very sure there would be a difference.

Brilliant article. Really hope it gets picked up by mainstream media.

What do we think the responses would look like if there were two questions instead of the usual one about transgender? Would you be happy to share facilities with transsexuals? Would you be happy to share facilities with cross dressers?

Make it three questions.

"Do you believe that women can have a penis / men can have a vagina?"

seems to be a lot of whataboutery about who actually supports trans women, whether it be male or female, and inventing of which questions are asked, and assuming women who are trans positive don't know the issues, when actually it is usually the case they know a trans woman or trans man and are very familiar with these issues, and gain knowledge by listening. Rather than try to tell trans people what they are.

For example how many politicians are vocal in support or were part of the equalities commision that recomended GRA reform, how many were men and how many are women?

Women are overwhelmingly more likely to speak out in support of trans rights than men.

And to be honest if this is your level of argument....
wingsoverscotland.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/genderq.jpg

It's pretty hilarious framing, and does not really meet the requirements of a legit question.
Could the question be any more ridiculously one-sided and weighted in propaganda??

Par for the course I guess...