Meet the man standing to be a Labour party women’s officer

[busyboysmum]

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/05/meet-the-man-standing-to-be-a-labour-party-womens-officer/

This is great - good on David Lewis. Shows the Labour Party's policy up for the nonsense it is.

If any man can say he's a woman and self identify as such.... I can't believe I am even typing these words.

It's just not possible to change your biological sex. Surely common sense is going to win through this madness?

[Ereshkigal]

Yes that is encouraging, thanks for posting!

[MaterialReality]

I found a thread about this on The Student Room's politics forum. It's interesting because there are some gender-critical comments - including someone stating that TERF is a slur. For comparison, I posted something GC there about 18 months ago and got the 'evil TERF' 'no debate' response from the majority of posters.

Not all students support trans ideology - it's encouraging!

www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=5384914

[Ereshkigal]

m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10155560176862411&id=25749647410

The one where Labour admit that they don't just want to push changes to the GRA through they are going after the Equality Act exemptions too and if you are against it you're like the benighted homophobes opposing section 28.

[Ereshkigal]

Yes :)

[R0wantrees]

Featured on 'Have I Got News For You' tonight.

[Tansie1]

I was a bit surprised how little Labour's comparatively poor showing in the local elections was attributed to women not voting for them.

I am sure that was a major reason! It's certainly why I won't be giving them my vote any time soon!

[Mxyzptlk]

But the minute a child does any challenging of traditional gender roles, they'll be told they need to identify as another gender.

[Ereshkigal]

It's not so much an umbrella as a marquee, really.

Or Centre Parcs.

[ErrolTheDragon]

So, 'any individual who challenges their society's traditional gender roles'... budge up mates, gender critical women belong too.

It's not so much an umbrella as a marquee, really.

[MissSusanSays]

are you deliberately being obtuse?

I think we all know that answer to that.

Professionally obtuse. Some might say deliberately.

[R0wantrees]

I'm not sure how much awareness there is of the transgender umbrella. I believe this is used by Stonewall?

It's important, I think, that there is better understanding about definitions and terminology.

[ToeToToe]

I think the use of the word "prejudice" in the yougov survey is very interesting - a very loaded word.

Not many people like to think of themselves as prejudiced - but if you frame it in terms of protecting/maintaining women's rights, and spaces - as Caribou has just done - I agree, you'd get very different responses.

[Caribou58]

I've noticed that if people are asked simply if they'd mind 'gender-neutral' toilets - which have existed in various places for some years - they're generally fine about it. Why would they not be? There doesn't seem to be much of a threat, does there?

If the questions were posed - and I can't see that they have been so far - such that the following were asked:

Are you happy that a woman who asked for a woman to peform her smear test might find it's a TIM, complete with penis and beard and she'd be accued of transphobia if she refused?

*Are you happy that TIMs (or men claiming to be TIMs for the purpose of entering such a space), complete with penis, would be able to be naked in a gym or pool women's changing room alongside you, your 13 year old daughter and/or your 3 year old granddaughter?

Are you happy that TIMs (or men claiming to be TIMs for the purpose of entering such a space) might be able to take places in a women's refuge or apply for jobs there?

Are you happy that TIMs will be able to enter women's elite sports and thereby ensure that no woman can compete at elite level and hope to win again?

Are you happy that TIMs (or men claiming to be so) will be able to take scholarships, jobs, places reserved for women previously to try to improve conditons for women?

I doubt there'd be much "happiness" expressed at all.

[LangCleg]

Ah, here it is. There's a thread on it so I'll leave my remarks on it here to this one post. Here you, Crisp - results for England:

Good idea: men 22%, women 16%
Bad idea: men 55%, women 55%
Don't know: men 23%, women 29%

And you'll be glad to see the question framing is absolutely neutral:

A new Govt review of the GRA 2004 proposed that people should in future be able to legally decide what sex they are simply by self-definition. Broadly speaking, what is your view of this proposal?

wingsoverscotland.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/enggender.jpg

[LangCleg]

no, I'm afraid I won't shut up

Not telling you to shut up. Asking you to put up. As you well know.

Could I have the data set evidencing your assertion, please?

I understand Wings has also polled England and that data set will be available over the next few days.

[crispbuttyfan]

mrtlywilson
who the hell would use panelbase ahead of reputable polling companies?

langleg
no, I'm afraid I won't shut up. cheers for the direct order but I'm gonna pass.

[bunbunny]

Will be interesting to see how the Labour Party treat people like Phillip/Pippa Bunce who identify their gender differently on different days of the week! Wonder if they would have been suspended if they applied for the role...

[Popchyk]

Oh, he's been suspended?

Does that mean men actually cannot just self-ID into women's roles after all?

Quite the U-turn from Labour there.

I look forward to their explanations about this and details of the established safeguards that they referenced.

[R0wantrees]

Link to thread with updates from David. She (as its Wednesday) has confirmed her suspension from the Labour party.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3256772-Guess-how-I-got-suspended-from-the-Labour-Party?pg=2&messages=100

[HotRocker]

Happy #woman Wednesday everybody

[CertainHalfDesertedStreets]

I wouldnt even know where to start with all that hyperbole

Are you sure you know what hyperbole is?

[Wanderabout]

*I have questions and want to discuss the GRA AND the EA AND the way they interact AND the cultural changes that are happening AND what's happening with GNC children AND what's happening with the safeguarding of girls AND the effects on lesbians AND the stifling of debate AND the harm done to women who dare speak up AND I bet there are a few areas I've forgotten that other women have questions about and want to discuss too.+

Applauds pencilsinspace

[LangCleg]

any sign of you yougov dataset yet?

Oh, give over. You only know I cocked up and said YouGov when it was Panelbase - not that it matters which professional polling company was commissioned - because I said so myself when talking to Ereshkigal. It's hardly your gotcha.

Give me the data set to confirm your assertion, please. Put up or shut up.

[myrtleWilson]

crispbuttyfan - do you have evidence it was only panelbase that accepted it? Because your statement suggests that others rejected it - so I'd be keen to see your evidence for this? thanks in advance

[Ereshkigal]

But for what it's worth I didn't say something could not be discussed, I said the non-sequitur question using claims and framing that are NOT being discussed with reference to the GRA are bogus...

As she said, we're going to discuss what we like, in whichever way we like. We're not waiting for you to tell us what we can discuss. I'm sure you didn't mean to sound like you had any say?