Meet the man standing to be a Labour party women’s officer

[busyboysmum]

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/05/meet-the-man-standing-to-be-a-labour-party-womens-officer/

This is great - good on David Lewis. Shows the Labour Party's policy up for the nonsense it is.

If any man can say he's a woman and self identify as such.... I can't believe I am even typing these words.

It's just not possible to change your biological sex. Surely common sense is going to win through this madness?

[Ereshkigal]

Labour's self id is about allowing transgender people who are unable to obtain a GRC or who have not obtained a GRC to be treated as women. It is about not judging if someone is trans enough. There is no reason why it needs to include people who abuse it, whether for political advantage or in this case protest.

No, Sarah. It's about letting male people take women's places, just on their say so, to be woke, while actual women are as disregarded and disadvantaged as ever. Not that you give a fuck, you are transparent.

Oh and where does Phil/Pips Bunce fit in exactly?

[Ereshkigal]

flies in the face of just about every similar survey available.

Because they actually told the truth about the reality of letting males access women's spaces.

[Ereshkigal]

I'm asking you to provide similar data sets from equally reputable polling companies to evidence your assertion. And, since you complained about question framing on mine, I'm equally laying down conditions for question framing in yours. No conflating dysphorics with cross dressers

This. We're all waiting. And will be waiting a while.

[UpstartCrow]

AsAProfessionalFekko Callum/Abi is the gender fluid police officer.
Abi can search women on days that Abi identifies as a woman.
On Callum's days his penis reverts to being male.

crispbuttyfan
The question is about removing single sex changing rooms and toilets.... Nobody has said this whatsoever, just because some people refuse to accept trans women are women, and trans men are men, does not mean all toilets and changing rooms will no longer be male or female, its nonsensical.

No. The majority of people know that a penis is a male sex organ. Its why the people that dont are defined as having body dysmorphia.

[SupermatchGame]

And we want people to realise that he should not be able to do this - before Self ID becomes law.

Even if self ID did come in as proposed in the Scottish consultation:

Some requirements would remain, such as applicants having to provide a statutory declaration to confirm they fully understand the implications of their application and intend to live in their acquired gender for the rest of their lives.

You wouldn't legally be female if you were 'a woman on Wednesdays'. More scaremongering and transphobia.

The issue of whether he should be able to stand on any sort of women only list without such a declaration is a different discussion and yes I think that is worth having. But as usual the issue becomes so polarised by going from one bizarre extreme to the other it makes it impossible to have any sensible debate.

[spontaneousgiventime]

The fact more people are against self ID than in the past is no great surprise. People are becoming more aware of the issues than before so seeing numbers increase is hardly shocking. This is why TRA want the debate shut down and the reforms done immediately, they see people waking up to the consequences of self ID.

[crispbuttyfan]

Erishkigal
Because they actually told the truth about the reality of letting males access women's spaces.

Which has been happening since 2010 with no problems, which is actually the truth, I may be taking a liberty here and assuming you are talking about trans women.

I now have a jack nicholson speech running round my head..

[AsAProfessionalFekko]

So what about 'gender fluid'? The worker at Credit suisse identifies as this - Janet one day and John another (not their real names). This is isn't scaremongering this is how they choose to live their life (and win a nice award for women in business - I guess the award ceremony must've been on a 'pink day').

[Ereshkigal]

I may be taking a liberty here and assuming you are talking about trans women.

Well done brilliant deduction! Yes hopefully Women's Place will get the EA exemptions strengthened and applied to protect women's rights. It's not just the GRA that needs to be challenged, obviously.

[ToeToToe]

...and intend to live in their acquired gender for the rest of their lives.

How is anyone going to prove that they aren't? Is "living as a woman" legally defined?

I'm not sure how this came about, but it seems Pip Bunce was in the meeting with Parliament, along with Girl Guiding etc. I would fully expect there to be legal provision for gender fluidity - since Pip only identifies as a woman on some days.

[UpstartCrow]

@SupermatchGame
You wouldn't legally be female if you were 'a woman on Wednesdays'. More scaremongering and transphobia.

There are already 2 well know, high profile gender fluid men. One is a police officer. Try to understand what you are supporting before you start throwing slurs around.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/23/fluid-gender-policeman/

[ErrolTheDragon]

fekko - you mean Pips Bunce - here's a couple of articles he wrote www.fnlondon.com/articles/mistranslated-i-split-my-time-as-Pippa-and-philip-20171002

www.ft.com/content/08f4b532-70c8-11e5-9b9e-690fdae72044

As far as I can see, he identifies as 'gender fluid' - not as a woman. I'm happy to support his right to be gender nonconforming ... but no way should he have been in this list www.out-standing.org/heroes/2017-top-50-women/ ... if it wasn't for this, I'd think he wasn't relevant to the main issues surrounding self ID.

(I've no idea whether Mx Bunce is a he or a she today, or if it matters to them).

[AsAProfessionalFekko]

That's the one! Although I wouldn't be bothered by the he/she if I worked at CS, I would be pissed off about the women in business award and shit myself if I had to go to meetings incase I called him/her or her/him and got hauled off to HR.

[ToeToToe]

I was referring to the Credit Suisse head - not Pip Bunce.

However, both are gender fluid, and the former is advising parliament, and winning awards as a woman.

David Lewis has already shown that identifying as a woman on a Wednesday is fine to apply for a position in the Labour Party reserved for women. This is self ID in action, before it's even become law.

[AsAProfessionalFekko]

I'm confusing myself now! Are there any women who do this at all, or is it a male thing?

[AnneElliott]

The police officer gender fluid example is an odd one. I wonder how many complaints the force have had about this officer searching people?

[SwearyG]

Uh oh. The women’s officer who is already taking advantage of the self iD in the Labour Party isn’t happy...

[Ereshkigal]

Some of the excellent gender advocates on this thread think male people such as this should be able to body search women against their consent. So much #metoo.

[Ereshkigal]

Sweary

Deliberate trolling given how much that person abused the process.

[ToeToToe]

C "The question is about removing single sex changing rooms and toilets...."

Some women's toilets/changing rooms have already been changed to gender neutral.

The NUS trans conference tried to change the women's toilets to gender neutral with a home made sign. Women attending another conference at the hotel ripped it down. The NUS then stationed a person outside the women's toilets to "protect the sign".

Don't tell me transactivists aren't trying to make stuff gender neutral. Women's stuff in particular.

"Claiming it will be a hate-crime for simply disagreeing about whether someone who is trans is the sex that matches their gender, would NEVER be construed as a hate crime.*"

In Canada it is. And Morgane Oger is boasting about advising British Parliament - the very same person who tried to track down a woman holding a placard saying "transwomen are men" at the Women's March and have her arrested.

People on Twitter are currently baying for our blood - reporting us to the police, one has claimed to have a meeting with the Home Office Terrorism branch - for writing stuff like I have written on this thread, and on this forum.

"You would have to be found to be aggressively mis-gendering in an attempt to distress the individual."

See above.

[SwearyG]

Oh god absolutely Erishkigal - India Willoughby is having a bit tant about it too.

[SleepFreeZone]

Well the article has summed up the issue perfectly hasn’t it?! I particularly like the end comment about both sides needing to be equally unhappy. It made me smile.

[SupermatchGame]

I don't get this different names on different days thing. Is it like they are two people or personalities in one person? Not that it's a bad thing. But we can all feel more feminine or masculine at different times that's just our human identities. Why can't they just dress differently with or without make up etc but still be the same person?

I guess this is the difference between gender and sex for some people. I don't think that is someone who would meet the criteria for being legally female or have access to all female lists. I doubt the majority of the population would support that either. That's different to actual transitioned trans women and I think most people can see that.

[ToeToToe]

I'd like to see how they prove he doesn't identify as a woman on Wednesdays.

[MrsFogi]

I feel that this man is a million times more of a representative for women than Lily Madigan has ever been or will ever be and it is outrageous that he is trying to stop another self-identifying woman stand for a smilier post - since when did Lily get appointed the judge of who is a woman or not??