The slogan ‘Trans women are women’ is a lie. This is my sincerely held belief.

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"The slogan ‘Trans women are women’ is a lie. This is my sincerely held belief."

Interesting speech here by Brendan O'Neill

www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/a-manifesto-for-heresy/21379#.WvSKb3jTXqC

Superb article/speech. We need more of this, much more.

Otherwise a bloody good article!!

Bravo Brendan.

Really good speech.

That was a good read and an excellent speech. I hope the Oxford rent-a-mob get to hear about it.

Oh that's great

There was a protest outside. Brendan O'Neill told them to grow up.

Presumably much of the same lot who protested at the WPUK meeting.

link

Do you ever look at the politics beyond their anti-trans statements you share and praise by people like Brendan O Neill and wonder if that's really the kind of stuff you want to align yourself with?

And does it ever make you stop and question why there seems to be such an ideological overlap between the alt right, extreme conservatism, and anti-trans views?

Yawn.

Looks like it's time to wheel out this venn diagram again for those who aren't aware of the distinctions.

Yawn. The posse are out in packs tonight.

was hoping someone would post that pic uniquehornsonly !

I agree with almost everything in that speech. I think Brendan O'Neil has said some very dodgy things. Does that make me dodgy too?

Isn't it possible to agree with one piece of writing/speech and not agree with other viewpoints? Or is it the case of 'all in' when it comes to either supporting or vilifying people?

FWIW I agreed with most of that speech. I then went about researching more regarding his others views to see if I agree with those. Survey so far says doesn't appear so. Does that mean I ought to adjust my original thoughts about the speech?

A TERF is a witch. That is really what TERF means: troublesome woman, uppity woman, defiant woman, heretic. Just as the medieval fear and fury with witches was driven by the Church’s urge to root out heresy, to discover and punish unorthodox thinking, so today’s blacklisting and assaulting of TERFs is driven by the establishment’s intolerance of dissent towards the new religiosity of genderfluidity. Especially among women. Religious-style wars on heresy always hate female dissenters even more than male ones. That the TERF-finders, like the witch-finders of old, hate female heretics more than male ones – more than me, for example – is testament both to the trans movement’s intolerance of any view of womanhood that differs to its own elastic, eccentric view of womanhood, and also to its commonalities with earlier movements against witch-like female defiance of religious diktat.

I don't agree with Brendan O'Neill about much but, imo, he was spot on there.

Of course it does, flowers. Dodgy McDodgerson.

It is classic McCarthyism. Next question:

"Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of Mumsnet?"

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/brendan-oneill/jimmy-savile-child-abuse_b_2017326.html

Here's a link (above) to the article that Widow posted about.

Widow, is this guy an extreme conservative?

"And does it ever make you stop and question why there seems to be such an ideological overlap between the alt right, extreme conservatism, and anti-trans views?"
yes, absolutely happy to think about that.

I think he has a point though. When I was doing a lot of environmental campaigning, I tried very very hard (unsuccessfully) to stop the use of the awful phrase "climate change denier" which he refers to and it was a disaster that rebounded on us.

Also, when you about thinking whose company you're keeping, don't we all have that problem? I discovered a month ago that a close friend alternated marching against Clause 28 with picketing abortion clinics with pictures of aborted foetuses. To me that was an astonishing combination - to her not at all. You must surely have similar experiences in your own life where you find your views coinciding with those of people you might not choose to spend time with?

I don’t think the majority on here care who says it, as long as it’s supportive of the cause. I bet that if Katie Hopkins came out as GC she would be celebrated on here.

The thing is, no one is trying to stop anyone from holding whatever view they want on transexual men and whether they could really, truly become female - there's no inquisition to find out your personal thoughts here.

It's the trying to persuade everyone else that you're right and they just don't understand, or they'd agree with you, that's the problem!

As for ‘we don’t have to agree with everything someone says’. No, personally I would be very concerned about supporting messages from groups and sources that are fundamentally anti-women. I would fight tooth and nail to avoid my message being associated with those groups actually. But each to their own I guess.

Except that venn diagram is a straw wo/man.

Transgender ideology does not believe sex is nonphysical. And it doesn't believe it is chromosomally changeable. It believes that some physical aspects of sex are changeable. It believes that the interplay between sex and identity are complex, nuanced aspects of human development.

Transgender ideology does not believe gender is innate, it believes gender identity is immutable and not chosen, and develops as a result of genetic, biological, social and environmental factors.

And no matter how many overlaps in that diagram, you will never see trans people standing shoulder to shoulder with the 'dodgy', fascist, racist, fundamentalist, antisemitic, homophobic alt-right. Unlike radical feminists and transphobes.

And transgender ideology is not an ideology. Gender dysphoria is a diagnosable and treatable medical condition.

Who is he?

Biological impossibility whatever you stitch on or chop off