The slogan ‘Trans women are women’ is a lie. This is my sincerely held belief.

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"The slogan ‘Trans women are women’ is a lie. This is my sincerely held belief."

Interesting speech here by Brendan O'Neill

www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/a-manifesto-for-heresy/21379#.WvSKb3jTXqC

spontaneous

Im going as well

Dh will be wondering where i have gone (hiding!!!)

Doctors are now finding ways to give trans women uteri.

No, they aren't.

ASnail why don't you go to bed and sober up and then come back and be more coherent tomorrow?

Asnailwhale Thu 10-May-18 23:20:20 On this website, I feel hatred is fuelled by ignorance.

If you read the threads you will find that both your hatred and your ignorance will have an opportunity to dissipate.

Don't go for Fennel Tea as you wind down, that is all!

Shan't go into detail unless anyone asks!

hi there Asnailwhale
I'm a transwoman, I have been for a very long time (more than the time I spent as a man). I was one of the first to obtain a GRC back in 2005, but had already had GRA surgery years before.

I have experienced many types of transphobia, verbal, physical attacks and sexual assaults. As well as crude assumptions and some pretty terrible attitudes. Mostly from men, but some women too. But mumsnet has proven a safe space for me. I witness little transphobia here, certainly compared to other forums online and to their credit. MNHQ have always been quick to act appropriately once I have reported anything. 2 instances of transphobia spring to mind, however I've been an avid user on and off for close to 10 years.

I am gender critical and against self identification.

I'm a transwoman, But I'm not a woman.
I can recognise the critical and fundamental differences between myself and a woman.
I can recognise the struggles that women face that I do not. I'm sure there are many struggles I face that women in general do not, though our experiences of some things may overlap.

I can recognise the systematic oppression women have only fairly recently began to even start dismantling and the war goes on.

Would you call me transphobic for saying nobody can change sex?
Because they can't, it's a biological fact. It doesn't matter how I feel about it (and at points in my life it's certainly hurt me immensely) it doesn't matter how you feel about it.
It just IS.
Self ID would make the lives of trans people easier.
But we do not get to hide behind women where male violence is concerned. There are two very good reasons.

1. If opening a door for me, or someone like me, means there'll be a rapist 3 steps behind me... lock the door and let it remain locked. Making the lives of one minority a bit easier shouldn't come at the cost of the safety of 50% of the population.

1. WOMEN ARE NOT FUCKING MEAT SHIELDS

Excuse me if I’ve interpreted the article incorresvtly. I believe that it was expressing the fact that TERFs (trans exclusionary radical feminists) were heretics? And that they were being banned from meeting and one was punched in the face? Also good night!!

"Doctors are now finding ways to give trans women uteri."

Whatever your perspective on all this, this is arrant nonsense.

And you dare to talk of ignorance

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/life-style/men-pregnant-womb-transplant-dr-richard-paulson-transgender-a8037201.html%3famp

For all those who don’t believe here is one of many articles. Stay woke!

Asnailwhale

1. Where would these uteri be coming from?
2. Do you think the significant risk to the foetus is acceptable? Why?
3. just because we may one day have the ability to do this doesnt make it ethical.

An article which points out that such a procedure 'may be unethical as it could pose “significant” risk to the foetus.'. Stay awake to reality, not 'woke'.

What kind of idiot thinks that 'rapists' get thrown out of anywhere. And by who, do angry mobs magically appear?

you will never see trans people standing shoulder to shoulder with the 'dodgy', fascist, racist, fundamentalist, antisemitic, homophobic alt-right.

I have actually. Because people are individuals. It's not the simplistic case of goodies and baddies that you think it is.

Excellent talking points Asnail. Never heard any of them before. Well done!

The only people I know of who are more homophobic than the religious right are the transgender advocates.

1. There's no need for any man to have a uterus transplant - that is fucking sick. There are plenty of uteri in their natural environments doing just fine without being transplanted into men on a whim

1. What about the baby? Like the lactating male is that even safe? No matter, so long as the man gets what he wants it's all good

Lastly anyone who uses "woke" is a bellend

All excellent points Chicken.

Especially no 3

Plus it's not as simple as inserting a uterus into a man. Even top fertility specialists often don't know how to make an infertile woman fertile. Plus they would have to take lots of drugs to stop the body rejecting the foreign organ, which could affect the male and any baby.

It's funny old world

I have heard Gerry Adams say things that I would agree with. I have heard Donald Trump say things that I would agree with. I have heard Vladamir Putin say things that I would agree with. I have heard Robert Mugabe say things that I would agree with.

Doesn't mean that I agree with everything they say, nor that I am aligning myself with them in some kind of ideological battle force

ChickenMe - No 3 is probably the most important point

How about

1. Doctors can't get wombs to work for every woman, the vast majority of whom are born with apparently all the right bits and pieces and tubes and stuff. Never mind trying to retro-fit a womb into a pelvis that is not designed to hold a growing womb in a body that has none of the natural hormones needed to sustain an embryo

Fair enough Olennas but would you start a thread on it/retweet it/tell people this was a sensible view? Maybe it’s just me but I wouldn’t e.g. start a thread praising a video about transgender medicine from a known homophobic group and say stuff like ‘I might share this on Facebook’. Nor would I retweet stuff from Trump or quote Gerry Adams to support my argument. I mean there’s plenty of feminist stuff on this so surely stick to that? It’s not just this post by the way- it’s many more and the argument is always ‘it’s what is said that matters, not who says it’. Maybe but not if you want to keep your integrity

If i felt under threat from a totalitarian ideology that tried to control language, deny objective reality, and was becoming accepted in my society, and Donald Trump (shudder) made an excellent speech explaining persuasively what that threat was and how we should resist it. Then, yes, I would share it. And I would not be concerned about my integrity.

If someone insists I say 2+2=5 or TWAW, and I go along with it because it is easier, then I would worry about my integrity.

ou will never see trans people standing shoulder to shoulder with the 'dodgy', fascist, racist, fundamentalist, antisemitic, homophobic alt-right

Errrr... they were obstructing people trying to get into a public meeting, they were standing outside venues in black, with masks and dogs, they continuously equate being trans with being black, and they have dogmatic, unevidenced beliefs which they shout to drown out anyone trying to talk to them reasonably. They feel that butch lesbians are closeted transmen.

They're not aligning themselves with facists, they are facists.