The slogan ‘Trans women are women’ is a lie. This is my sincerely held belief.

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"The slogan ‘Trans women are women’ is a lie. This is my sincerely held belief."

Interesting speech here by Brendan O'Neill

www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/a-manifesto-for-heresy/21379#.WvSKb3jTXqC

A stopped clock is right twice a day but unless you look at another clock, you will never know when that is. Because it is broken and useless.

Wut? Because women cannot tell if it is day or night because the clock says the same thing at noon as it does at midnight so we will never know the difference between a misogynist being right once of being right always?

Brilliant!

Hey asnailwhale stick around. Read as much of this board as you can. As in, critically read everything here. Think deeply about it. Engage with us. I get the impression you're quite young. There are some amazing, clever women here. You could learn a lot.

Brendan is a regular columnist on The Spectator, along with Rod Liddle, James Kirkup and Julie Burchill, all blatantly GC. They are on our side. A definite case of don't shoot the messenger; I'd take them over Toynbee and co any day.

B O'N seems particularly keen on advocating free speech....so my guess is that choosing to talk about transgender politics to students at their college dinner was a deliberate and provocative test.

I think it's an excellent speech. You don't have to agree with everything someone says, it's OK (and fairly normal) to have some points you agree on and some you disagree on.
I think right and left are irrelevant where women's rights, free speech and misogyny are concerned.

Wow, what a lot to think about and goodness what he says rings true. New to this whole 'crisis' so I apologise for my naivety (and I genuinely feel this is one as we have far more important things to worry about) but he starts with my base line; no-one is denying anyone the right to education, health care etc. We are all human beings and before we expend our energy on minorities we should all be fighting for those humans who do not have the basics; I would go so far as to say such issues as transgender politics detracts in a very bad way from those in the world genuinely in need. Let's use such energy/vitriol to stamp out real inequality.

Wut? Because women cannot tell if it is day or night because the clock says the same thing at noon as it does at midnight so we will never know the difference between a misogynist being right once of being right always?

No - because if a source of information that is fundamentally flawed, it cannot be relied upon.

Whereas you Supermatch are wrong 24 hours a day. And it's pretty obvious to everyone but you

By 'everyone' Orchid do you mean 60 people on an internet forum?

By 'you', do you mean: The Conservative party, the labour party, the Libdem party, the Green party, The Democratic Party, UK Parliament, The UK Women and Equalities Committee, the UK law, the courts, the European Court of Human Rights, The Equality and Human Rights Commission, Stonewall, the Royal College of Psychiatrists, the NHS including NHS England, the mainstream media, most feminists, The American Academy of Pediatrics, The American Psychological Association and The Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health ?

Going back a few posts, people have suggested authoritarian/libertarian as more relevant than left/right for the current age.

Thing is, my concern that free speech is under threat from the Control Left (c Maajid Nawaz) would seem to make me a Libertarian, whereas my opposition to, say, the decriminalisation of drugs would seem to make me an Authoritarian.

(Unless, in a Farronesque way, my acceptance that people are free to disagree with my more authoritarian beliefs makes me a Libertarian after all. This is complex!)

Supermatch

I think I agree with you about more than you might think. Especially on those with dysphoria. From what you've written elsewhere on this forum, I don't think you are arguing for a free-for-all for anyone under the trans umbrella so big it includes the majority of the population (correct me if I'm wrong).

I also agree with this statement if a source of information that is fundamentally flawed, it cannot be relied upon. So, while I agree with the contents of this speech, the author wouldn't be my go-to source for helpful information.

What do you make of this? wokenews727974324.wordpress.com/

If we’re going to be referred to as witches, I say go for it. It’s better than fucking TERF. We’d be in distinguished company.

If you need me I’ll be chucking toads into my cauldron.

Sounds wiccid!

No - because if a source of information that is fundamentally flawed, it cannot be relied upon.

Fundamentally flawed, due to having an agenda? Unlike yours, you mean?

Can I join you, MrsUnderwood? I can supply the black cat.

By 'you', do you mean: The Conservative party, the labour party, the Libdem party, the Green party, The Democratic Party, UK Parliament, The UK Women and Equalities Committee, the UK law, the courts, the European Court of Human Rights, The Equality and Human Rights Commission, Stonewall, the Royal College of Psychiatrists, the NHS including NHS England, the mainstream media, most feminists, The American Academy of Pediatrics, The American Psychological Association and The Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health ?

How many of those organisations are male-dominated or have their own agenda? I would call Stonewall the epitome of a "source of information that is fundamentally flawed" and therefore cannot be relied upon.

I would call Stonewall the epitome of a "source of information that is fundamentally flawed" and therefore cannot be relied upon.

SMG themselves considers Stonewall defines "transgender" too widely!

By 'you', do you mean: The Conservative party, the labour party, the Libdem party, the Green party, The Democratic Party, UK Parliament, The UK Women and Equalities Committee, the UK law, the courts, the European Court of Human Rights, The Equality and Human Rights Commission, Stonewall, the Royal College of Psychiatrists, the NHS including NHS England, the mainstream media, most feminists, The American Academy of Pediatrics, The American Psychological Association and The Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health?

Is this the list of organizations that opposed rights for women 100 years ago or organizations that oppose rights for women currently?

It is a rhetorical question designed to remind that there has been no time in human history that women were ever considered to be on the right side of history, except when they were serving men.

do you mean: The Conservative party, the labour party, the Libdem party, the Green party, The Democratic Party, UK Parliament, The UK Women and Equalities Committee, the UK law, the courts, the European Court of Human Rights, The Equality and Human Rights Commission, Stonewall, the Royal College of Psychiatrists, the NHS including NHS England, the mainstream media, most feminists, The American Academy of Pediatrics, The American Psychological Association and The Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health?

So, not marginalised and not oppressed

Is this the list of organizations that opposed rights for women 100 years ago or organizations that oppose rights for women currently?

This is the list that Supermatchgame provided as being correct about transgender issues. I disagree that they are organisations that are objective providers of information.

Sorry, TerfsUp.
I was being snarky but apparently only inside my own head.

I loved it, bewilderness
I always think something similar when I hear that "right side of history" nonsense that's supposed to somehow shock us into being nice and agreeable again. Since when has history served women well?

It was fucking perfect bewilderness, although I may have been drinking

It was perfect. And I’m stone cold sober

Sorry, bewilderness. I misunderstood your post - I have autism and sometimes don't pick up snarkiness.

Friends again?

TerfsUp