I am a transwoman, ask me anything.

[AriadneRose]

I have been following what has been going on here and on twitter, and thought maybe it would be helpful to open a dialogue that is not reactionary or fueled by anger. So I am offering my own personal perspective as a transwoman, and am willing to answer any questions people might have, and I will try to answer them thoughtfully, respectfully and honestly.

Note: I did not create this thread to stir up trouble, I just feel open dialogue from both sides is necessary for us to move forward.

Nope, not altruistic, just thankfully on the right side of history

@thebewilderness oh dear, bright, green, christ on a bike. I don't know whether to laugh, weep, or throw up.

ust thankfully on the right side of history hmm

I'm sure mussolini said that in one of his speeches...... I'll have to go dig it out......

In years to come kids will look back on the kinds of attitudes that prevailed here today like children now must look back at racists in the days of the civil-rights-era struggles and scratch their heads.

More likely the forcibly transitioned children will use the devastation of thalidomide as an analogy for their experience. Except the thalidomide users had no warning, and we are here insisting that people stop and think what they are doing.

Your ignorance, lack of compassion and basic disregard for humanity (and facts) only make me angry for as long as I forget this is only happening on Mumsnet. Once I remember that all I need to do is switch off this particular site and rejoin the real world where the majority views expressed on this thread are being left behind, then it all becomes much more tolerable.

Ahhh the right side of history argument.

When safeguarding provision for children has been watered down to pointlessness, and predators have exploited the loopholes so earnestly insisted on...you can point out to the children who were abused that you were on the right side of history. I’m sure they’ll understand.

Safeguarding will be dead in the water. Vulnerable kids - straight, gay, troubled, trans or just in the wrong place, will get hurt by this. Predators will exploit any loophole they can.

oh dear, bright, green, christ on a bike. I don't know whether to laugh, weep, or throw up.
Whatever you do always remember that no critical thinking is allowed in the transgender cult because material reality has a well known transphobic bias.

schrodingerstwat you saying anyone else is ignorant and lacking compassion is one hell of an oxymoron......

In years to come kids will look back on the kinds of attitudes that prevailed here today like children now must look back at racists in the days of the civil-rights-era

Attitudes from people who push surgery on gender non-confirming kids, you mean.

Could well be that in fifty years, sex change surgery will look as barbaric as lobotomies. We shouldn't need surgery to treat mental health issues.

@Amalfimamma are you trying to avoid Godwin's Law by going for Mussolini?!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

t. Once I remember that all I need to do is switch off this particular site and rejoin the real world where the majority views expressed

Aye right. Is MN 12 million unique users or 22? I think it’s 12. Tres niche.

@schrodingerstwat

No just living in italy I know more about mussolini and his speeches (I studied Italian history extensively imagine that with Lady brain).

But if you'd rather I compare you with hilter I'm sure I could comply

Such a shame you helped stop the conversation, I was really enjoying it and felt thoroughly educated

A whole load of morons but nothing to do with Oxy....

From you, that's a compliment

Unfortunately, this is becoming a pretty tuneless echo-chamber. 12 million unique users or 12, but the transwomen who are thankfully able to self-identify and, that taken care of, spend their time worrying about more important things, like how not to be beaten to a pulp, raped or killed likely won't need to hear this site's majority views echoing in their heads.

Wow - Italian History?? You must be so clever! Dear God, are you about to give me your GCSE results now @Amalfimamma? I'm out of here, but thanks for helping me do it on a smile ! I don't know why you mention ladybrain. I'm not a man or a transwoman. Just a cis-woman who thinks, like many other cis-women out there, that views like yours are a disgrace to the feminist cause.

@schrodingerstwat

If you are accusing posters of tuneless, despicable, unbelievable, moronic vitriol it's usually good form to provide examples (since you say this is coming from the majority of MN's millions of users there must be a wealth to choose from, shouldn't take 5 mins). Thanks so much.

I am glad that males are finally considering thinking about doing something about the fact that the only people they kill more often than women are other males.
Male violence is the greatest human rights crisis the world has ever known. So maybe they will finally set aside the 10th rule of misogyny and get to work on harm reduction.

Perhaps if being trans is so dangerous then we shouldn't spread the social contagion.

I have every sympathy for people who have a mental illness. Mental illness is tough. What we don't want to do is normalise fetishes or encourage confused young people towards unnecessary surgery.

spend their time worrying about more important things, like how not to be beaten to a pulp, raped or killed

Is it women doing this to them?

8 transwomen killed in the last decade. Obviously 8 too many. 2 women a week killed in DV incidents. So killed because female.

Statistically it’s safer to be a transwoman.

If transwomen are being raped and beaten its by men - so why is the ire directed at women?

Hi schrodingerstwat. I'm interested in your point of view, though you may be off joining the real world for a bit, so not sure if you've time to respond.

I sat on the fence for a couple of years, and was a champion of trans identities for a long time, in terms of making sure their voice was heard in my organisation in various ways.

The 'echo chamber' here, where some of the most steadfast and patient women's rights voices set out their concerns about the eradication of rights for women and girls, was just that. An echo chamber. For a long time. Many of us ignored them. (I'm guilty of that too)

I'm interested in your point of view that Mumnset is somehow becoming a 'last resort' echo chamber., I've witnessed a growing groundswell of support for 'the wrong side' as you put it over the last few months, which is spilling out of this forum, joining with others (many of whom were also shouting into a void for a long while) on social media and in real life.

What I'm witnessing right now is a falling away of the walls of that echo chamber. More and more people are realising the concerns. Coming onto FWR to try to understand the issue, and then realising it and doing something about it.

I'm also observing, at the same time, a concerted and furious attack on those concerns.

If this forum is an echo chamber, and all the concerns on it are on the wrong side of history - why the anger, why the attacks, why the venom directed at women? Why not just ignore it? As you say, it's just a echo chamber on the wrong side of history?

“, I pm'd the OP and recommended she come off this thread and go and do something nice, involving self-care, or time spent with rational, well-informed people who don't misgender her rather than spend time on here where she is treated despicably by a load of vitriolic TERFS.”

I would find that rather threatening in Ariadne’s position.

Anyway, back to the discussion. I am also struck by the idea that feeling “like a woman” is what people might call feeling unlike unpleasant men.
Refugees from toxic masculinity and all that. But not gay, so not having that alternative available.

I've been thinking about this.

As women we have only ever BEEN women. So would we even notice a feeling that has always been there? As a PP said we just are women in the same way as we just are human. But there have been times when people have felt dehumanised, so I wonder if we were to wake up in a make body if we'd suddenly recognise a feeling of feeling like a woman?

It's impossible for any human to truly know the way another human feels

Perhaps the tragedy in all this is that no-one will ever experience both sides in order to do a full comparison.

In doesn't change my view on what defines womanhood but it is a point on which perhaps more sympathy could be shown.

On a separate note @schrodingerstwat i know you think you are helping and supporting the trans rights movement but you have effectively shut down one of the ONLY truly calm, honest, open and respectful discussions on this I have ever seen so actually I believe you are doing more harm than good.

@schrodingerstwat oh my gcses were so long ago Ive forgotten my results.

Well my history degree was a 5 year degree with 4 of those specalised in Italian history but I'm sure that's not important to you.

Oh my bad. You aren't a mtf or a mra but misogyny drips of every word you post.

Bless