Hi Mumsnet, if you are asking feminist women to consider whether Mumsnet is for them, please be clear that the space *we* made here is for *all* of us.

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So apparently MNHQ is asking women they are suspending for saying things like men are men, to consider whether Mumsnet is for them.

I feel it's important to be clear that we want feminist women to have a home here, we - all the women who engage here - have made this board what it is (I'm relatively new so I am in awe of the women who have been shaping this wonderful space all this time) and we don't want women excluded from this space because they won't lie about biology and acquiesce to misogyny and genderism.

This is meant to be a kind of refuge for us, where we do not have to submit to male authority, where we can let off steam and share without needing to worry about dealing with misogyny, and where we can feel a degree of safety and find sisterhood. I can't think of anything more awful than a woman who comes here to share in this, in this one space we have that's meant to be ours, to then be told she should consider excluding herself because she won't bow to male authority on what a woman is.

So it needs saying, Mumsnet, this is a board for all feminist women, we don't want anyone excluded or made to feel that this space isn't for them too. And please understand many women come here from backgrounds of abuse, we do live in a climate of male violence and misogyny that is currently getting worse, so I hope MNHQ take time to ask themselves how they want to treat women who come here. Mumsnet own the site, but it's the women who use this space who made it the vibrant refuge of sisterhood and resistance that it is, so please don't shit on that or indeed on the women who actually engage on your forum.

Who's been suspended? Fwr has so many posters it's hard to tell who is awol, and not obvious to me who might have overstepped the (somewhat ill-defined) line.

The people reporting via Twitter are the same people who would have been reporting via the site and for the same reasons.

Hear hear, OP.

Although I haven't had a warning, or an email - I am wondering if Mumsnet is the place for me. Moderation via Twitter MRAs/TRAs who will be orgasmic if we get shut down is a bit of a step too far for me.

Hurrah, OP, well said

Well said OP.

Also the inconsistency of the modding and playing into the trolls' hands is problematic.

Men are men. Fact.

Men are men

When you ban us all, and you change the entire shape of this space, what will you have left ?

By telling us we HAVE to lie you’re actually telling the TRA’s that they’re correct. You’re selling us out.
Do you think that if you concede something they will back off? They won’t , they want all of us on our knees. You’ve just succeeded in disempowering yourself and us.

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Brilliant post. ❤️

However.....'meant for us?' 'a refuge for us?'. I doubt HQ would see it that way at all. It is a business and the FWR section is a small section of that and probs not economically fruitful 're money spent on advertised products.
It's the resilient bunker where the trans agenda has become a shit show and HQ are bravely refusing to go with it.

I'm hoping the HQ tactic is 'show us what you've got - not a lot is it?' But then they will need a whole army of staff to manage the slew that will come.

And I agree. What does "is MN the place for you" actually mean?

What does 'moderation via twitter' mean?

@Tartyflette and so the first post on this thread that becomes aggressive and begins flinging around rather basic accusatory and insulting language is from someone endorsing the silencing of women.

This would be curious if it wasn't utterly predictable.

Some women can judge the temperature of the cultural/social/political water as it heats up. The only question here is will enough women work it out before woman as a sex class is boiled alive.

@KriticalSoul @Tartyflette .... my apologies to you Tartyflette! I clicked he wrong user name! The perils of being a newbie. My comment was quite clearly directed at kritical soul.

@KriticalSoul @Tartyflette or have I misunderstood you both?

“I'm hoping the HQ tactic is 'show us what you've got - not a lot is it?' But then they will need a whole army of staff to manage the slew that will come.”

I’m not so sure. A lot of the lazy blighters on Twitter can’t be bothered to look on MN for posts they object to. They never did, just blindly repeated what they were told.
So now they’re reduced to making umbrella posts “This is my complaint about anything that includes the word Trans” and a collecting thread for everyone else to post anything they find.

this site is owned and run by MNHQ and this space is theirs.

Just like the same of all MN.

It's one topic, and the user input isn't so different anywhere else (apart from a higher tolerance of self-aggrandisement). Remember al, the threads in Site Issues about everything from size of ads onwards? Plus the FWR wars of old? We're simply content generators which can be monetised. And FWR is indeed just another topic -MNHQ said so, haven't said different since, and that's a point that shouid not be lost from view.

Are people really suspended for stating scientific, biological fact?

I’m so over the ridiculous Orwellian world we live in where it is transphobic and a suspension-worthy offence to speak the truth.

MNHQ must have read The Emperor’s New Clothes even if they haven’t read 1984 - if they still can’t see the dangers of jumping on the bleating bandwagon of “everything’s transphobic” maybe they are right that MN isn’t the place for intelligent women any more. And maybe that’s what they want.

It is a great shame when trans activists, mostly if not all born males, can bully women into not being able to speak about the mass gaslighting and abuse inflicted on them by narcissistic males.

It feels like we are all in an abusive relationship with these men.

When you ban us all, and you change the entire shape of this space, what will you have left ?

Losing the FWR board will change the whole shape of Mumsnet? I don't think so. It will mean the loss of a forum for discussion on a particular topic but life will go on for Mumsnet. Are you suggesting that the rest of the women on here who use other boards to seek much needed advice are somehow less than those on FWR?

Well said

They won't stop at the FWR board, Berkin.

That's just first on their list.

I think you might be putting too much onto the feminist board here. Its not a safe space or a refuge. It's a board where we can discuss feminism.

MNHQ are walking a tricky line at the minute and keep discussion open more than most other sites.

First they'll silence the feminists, then language around birth, breastfeeding this narcissists won't stop.... they are incensed by women who don'\t buckle. All the libfems who are currently allies to trans women will find themselves coming second.... they are too stupid to see this. Narcissists have to win at all costs.

Until vexatious complaints are treated as harassment, plus the complainants given consequences, the narcissists will continue to pull strings and bully by proxy