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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Is feminism inherently sexist? Anybody for human rights anymore?

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cforte0 · 19/04/2018 22:21

Feminism appears to only ever advocate for women's rights alone, even when we mention gender equality it is immediately presumed that it's an issue where women are in need of support and empowerment.
Is that not inherently sexist, solely focusing on the rights of only a subset of our species, why are we not advocating for human rights anymore?
There are at least 6 separate organisations where I work that advocate for gender equality and/or diversity and/or women's rights, and every one of them is focused on women's rights. Where I work females out perform and out number men, I don't understand how I'm suppose to be at an advantage because I'm a man, and there's not a single group I can go to for support as none of those groups are willing to offer me any of their services.
I'm all for human rights and consider myself an individualist where people should be awarded things on merit, but even when trying to pose questions in what should be a critical thinking environment I get branded a sexist and a misogynist. Without anyone acknowledging and critiquing my ideas, I'm personally attacked and disregarded, is that because I'm a man?

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PleaseDontGoadTheToad · 19/04/2018 23:25

Slightly worried by some of the responses here seen as this is for parents and many of you likely have sons, but if it's as you say, you're all providing them with lots of privilege so they should be fine.

I'm sure my son will be fine. Thanks for your concern though.

futuresupergran · 19/04/2018 23:25

men and women are both roughly equally likely to attempt suicide, but men die more from suicide because they use more violent methods

Trousersdontmakemeaman · 19/04/2018 23:26

Have a chat with the millions of men in leadership positions, I am sure one of them will be on your side.

Antislut · 19/04/2018 23:28

So it doesn't matter as much that men kill themselves because women try to at the same rate? That's ridiculous.

Rufustheconstantreindeer · 19/04/2018 23:28

reluctant

Why do you go to the WI if its tedious

Or was it that particular meeting

OlennasWimple · 19/04/2018 23:30

I feel almost misty eyed at the good old-fashioned "what about the men" poster. It makes a nice change from the sort of stuff we've had recently

CelticSelkie · 19/04/2018 23:30

feminism would help suicidal men. A lot of men feel like failures because they're not earnig enough to 'provide', but they still want/expect a woman to do the bulk of the childcare and housework. IF they had a more egalitarian view on running a household then they wouldn't feel the weight of 'failure' because they aren't financially successful. So says ''Blindboy'' who spoke to a lot of depressed men in Co Limerick

thiskitten · 19/04/2018 23:31

How have your rights been abused/ infringed? Have these gender equality organisations said they won't help you because you are a man? Or because your rights haven't actually been abused / it's not a gender equality issue?

Yes, please start your own organisation. Maybe if you set up your own gender equality organisation you will gain a better grasp on why so many gender equality organisations are focused on women.

Slightly worried by some of the responses here seen as this is for parents and many of you likely have sons, but if it's as you say, you're all providing them with lots of privilege so they should be fine

What a strange comment. How are feminists providing their sons with lots of privileges? You've criticised feminism for not advocating for men - yet in your next post you say we are providing our sons with lots of privileges (presumably because they are male?).

LightofaSilveryMoon · 19/04/2018 23:31

@Antislut,
Have you ever read or studied history and social history, of anywhere in the world, ever?
If not, then I suggest that you do so, and then get back to me!

PleaseDontGoadTheToad · 19/04/2018 23:31

Men are more likely to commit suicide

Suicide attempts tend to be equal between men and women. Men are just more likely to succeed because they opt for more violent methods.

die in the work place

The fact that more men die in the work place has nothing to do with the fact they're men. Nobody is going around shoving men in the way of dangerous machinery or whacking them over the head whilst sparing the women who work there.

women are assumed to be the best carer for their children

Assumed by who?

birdsdestiny · 19/04/2018 23:32

Yes reluctant, I would like to hear about that too.

PinkbicyclesinBerlin · 19/04/2018 23:33

I love these threads, they give me a chance to practice my ignoring skills.

NotTerfNorCis · 19/04/2018 23:33

die in the work place

Also, prostitution is one of the most dangerous professions, and far more women than men are murdered in that 'line of work'.

Rufustheconstantreindeer · 19/04/2018 23:33

I never really understand why its an issue my sons and daughter having equal rights

Ive got awesome children

They are just lovely Smile

HopScotchy · 19/04/2018 23:34

Like all MRAs the OP puts all his energy into asking women to fight for men's rights (unspecified) rather than doing it himself. It's not men's work because it's 'caring'.

Rufustheconstantreindeer · 19/04/2018 23:36

C'mon reluctant

Why was it tedious

Not enough biscuits? Boring talk about touring the canary islands?

Antislut · 19/04/2018 23:38

What do you mean read a book?
The world has been pretty shit for a lot of people till the beginning of the 20th century and it's only improving. Both men and women. The idea there's this global patriarchy out to get people is just stupid. Some men have it tough too aswell as women.

How would that help? You're just assuming men kill themselves for that reason because it's the easiest answer.

Men do the risky jobs because women generally don't want to do them. They have throughout history before second wave feminism encouraged women to join the work force.

The courts assume that the woman is the best carer for the child.

LightofaSilveryMoon · 19/04/2018 23:38

So why don't you mobilise to create a support movement in order to deal with the problems that you identify?

cforte0 · 19/04/2018 23:39

@thiskitten I can clearly see that it's futile to go into the details of my situation as I will likely not receive help here. As you have all done such a good job of informing that feminism is only focused on women and we're on such a forum.

The "privileges" comment was in response to people saying I'm privileged because I said I was a man. So if you had sons, surely you're providing them with this "privilege" along with the rest of society I presume. I don't understand it myself, that's why I said "if it's as you say".

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Rufustheconstantreindeer · 19/04/2018 23:40

How would that help? You're just assuming men kill themselves for that reason because it's the easiest answer.

So men and women attempt suicide at the same rates but men die more

What would be your explanation for that?

I am off to bed so i apologise if you answer this and i dont reply

Antislut · 19/04/2018 23:41

You must be unbelievable privileged to not know how hard some jobs are and have been throughout history. That men did to provide for their families and women would never do or have done.

Rufustheconstantreindeer · 19/04/2018 23:42

feminism is only focused on women

Well yes...

Clue is in the name

Does what it says on the tin and all that

Have a good night cfort0

HopScotchy · 19/04/2018 23:42

@antislut (nice moniker) you are a parody of yourself.

Antislut · 19/04/2018 23:43

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SpringNowPlease2018 · 19/04/2018 23:43

OP "Either way women dominate this particular workforce, so it was interesting that all of you seemed to neglect this information."

This was at the case at my previous work. It was addressed and they actively tried to recruit more men when jobs came up. Have you talked to HR about this? It does work both ways.

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