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Is feminism inherently sexist? Anybody for human rights anymore?

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cforte0 · 19/04/2018 22:21

Feminism appears to only ever advocate for women's rights alone, even when we mention gender equality it is immediately presumed that it's an issue where women are in need of support and empowerment.
Is that not inherently sexist, solely focusing on the rights of only a subset of our species, why are we not advocating for human rights anymore?
There are at least 6 separate organisations where I work that advocate for gender equality and/or diversity and/or women's rights, and every one of them is focused on women's rights. Where I work females out perform and out number men, I don't understand how I'm suppose to be at an advantage because I'm a man, and there's not a single group I can go to for support as none of those groups are willing to offer me any of their services.
I'm all for human rights and consider myself an individualist where people should be awarded things on merit, but even when trying to pose questions in what should be a critical thinking environment I get branded a sexist and a misogynist. Without anyone acknowledging and critiquing my ideas, I'm personally attacked and disregarded, is that because I'm a man?

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BarrackerBarmer · 19/04/2018 22:46

Feeling a bit sorry for the rhinos now. Bastard donkeys.

Yeah. You spend your life with a massive fucking horn between your eyes and then some other bastard gets all the space in the sanctuary just because their great-great-great grandad once gave Jesus a lift or some shit.

TripleRainbow · 19/04/2018 22:46

why are we not advocating for human rights anymore?

I'm really interested to know when you believe the homogeneous advocation for human rights started and ended.

Ellenripleysalienbaby · 19/04/2018 22:46

Have you ever looked at the 'Counting Dead Women' website?

2 men a week aren't murdered by their female current or ex partner. Do you think that women are supposed to roll over and shut the fuck up about the violence perpetrated against them by men?

itsbetterthanabox · 19/04/2018 22:48

Ok so when are you setting up a group to help disadvantaged men and boys? I will happily support you.

ReluctantCamper · 19/04/2018 22:48

I'm personally attacked and disregarded, is that because I'm a man?

well, in this particular situation I think it's because you sound like a bit of a tit cforte0. You've also been mocked and (worst of all) biscuited.

We've got the odd man knocking about the place. I've seen some of them post sensible things and be cordially ignored, or even acknowledged.

So yes, I think we can sure that it's not because you're a man. It's because you sound like a total tit.

Trousersdontmakemeaman · 19/04/2018 22:49

Biscuited.

How can anyone come back from that I wonder.

2rebecca · 19/04/2018 22:52

It's like the men moaning that Guides shouldn't be single sex because scouts admits girls. That was a Scouts decision, nothing to do with feminism. I support feminism but also environmental stuff and other things but am in different groups for different things. I've only started getting more interested in feminism since men started to take away our spaces and language. I think men's' activist groups to campaign for men to be less aggressive, stop using porn which objectifies and degrades people (mainly women) and make feminine men feel that men can be feminine without pretending to be women sounds a great idea. Off you go.

Freespeecher · 19/04/2018 22:53

You'll have to excuse me as I'm new here but... biscuited?

Trousersdontmakemeaman · 19/04/2018 22:54

It's a jammy dodger

ReluctantCamper · 19/04/2018 22:54

Freespeecher · 19/04/2018 22:55

Gotcha.

HopScotchy · 19/04/2018 22:57

God this gets so boring. Just read about what feminism is. From books, not the letters page of Metro.

ReluctantCamper · 19/04/2018 22:57

it looks like a tiny asshole.

very apt in this situation.

NotTerfNorCis · 19/04/2018 22:58

I just got some shocking news.

For many years I'd been avoiding my local shop because the man who ran it was 'inappropriate'. It didn't occur to me to do anything about it - what could I do?

Then tonight I heard he'd been arrested after TWENTY-NINE women complained about him for sexual harassment. I think some real nasty stories are going to emerge.

For every one of those 29 there were probably dozens who didn't go to the police - like me.

Is there an equivalent for men? Hundreds of men avoiding their local shop because of harassment by the female owner?

Of course there isn't. This is why feminism still exists.

PosyFossilsShoes · 19/04/2018 22:58

Feminism appears to only ever advocate for women's rights alone

Astonishingly, yes.

why are we not advocating for human rights anymore?

Who's "we"? I do. It's what I specialise in. I'm also a feminist activist; the two are not mutually exclusive.

there's not a single group I can go to for support as none of those groups are willing to offer me any of their services.

Do what women did then, and set one up. Women's support groups, networks, refuges, CR groups, even book clubs, didn't just materialise, they were set up by women who wanted to see them exist. You want to see a men's group exist? Set it up.

I'm all for human rights and consider myself an individualist where people should be awarded things on merit, but

You know when people say "I"m not a racist, but" or "I'm all for free speech, but" or "I'm not being offensive, but" and you know that hte "but" means that they're about to say the opposite of the claimed trait?

even when trying to pose questions in what should be a critical thinking environment I get branded a sexist and a misogynist.

Ah.

Without anyone acknowledging and critiquing my ideas, I'm personally attacked and disregarded, is that because I'm a man?

No dude. It's because of this:

Feminism is a movement for the liberation of women and girls. It is not a generalist equal-opps let's be nice to each other group in which men's rights are promoted but women get to do the emotional, social and physical labour.

Your post suggests you haven't quite understood the distinction and THAT is why people are calling you a sexist and a misogynist without offering you the "critique" you think your ideas should attract.

AskBasil · 19/04/2018 23:00

why are we not advocating for human rights anymore?

Um, are you aware that women are human too? Women's rights are human rights.

What rights do you feel you don't have purely and simply because you are a man?

BertrandRussell · 19/04/2018 23:02

There are organzationa that advocate for men-CALM for example. What do you want me to do to help? I have some free time every week-call on me.

ReluctantCamper · 19/04/2018 23:14

I don't think cforte0 is coming back. Shame, I enjoyed winding down from my fucking tedious WI meeting by being thoroughly rude to a dufus on the internet.

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cforte0 · 19/04/2018 23:18

This was for the majority the response I expected, and in hind sight I probably should've emphasised the fact that the groups claim to be advocating gender equality but focus on women because they're run by feminists. They argue mainly from an equal outcome stand point as oppose to an equal opportunities one. Either way women dominate this particular workforce, so it was interesting that all of you seemed to neglect this information.
I take your points that maybe I should start something up, and I might if I can find like minded individualist people, but it won't be to solely help men in adversity, as that would defeat the purpose of this post. If it was for solely men, it would probably just be labeled a "privileged" group like some of you here have already labelled me without even knowing any details about me other than that I have a Y chromosome.

Slightly worried by some of the responses here seen as this is for parents and many of you likely have sons, but if it's as you say, you're all providing them with lots of privilege so they should be fine.

PS: I liked the point about the donkey and rhino sanctuary, it's nice to see some logical arguments.

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Trousersdontmakemeaman · 19/04/2018 23:20

I don't think I understand what you mean by gender.

Feminists are defined by sex not gender.

futuresupergran · 19/04/2018 23:21

oh fuck off already you misogynist man

birdsdestiny · 19/04/2018 23:21

We feel a lot better now you have approved of some of our arguements.

LightofaSilveryMoon · 19/04/2018 23:22

@PosyFossilsShoes
Yes, this:
Feminism is a movement for the liberation of women and girls. It is not a generalist equal-opps let's be nice to each other group in which men's rights are promoted but women get to do the emotional, social and physical labour.

Oh, yes yes yes!

Antislut · 19/04/2018 23:24

Men are more likely to commit suicide,die in the work place and women are assumed to be the best carer for their children. Women don't have any less rights than men. Feminists have been clutching at straws in the western world for a long time and I say this as a former feminist.

CelticSelkie · 19/04/2018 23:24

Don't worry about our sons.

They'll earn more than our daughters.

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