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TRA infiltration

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Terfragette69 · 12/04/2018 21:41

How much do you suspect the tra's have infiltrated Mumsnet? I am in a group on Facebook and we have been discussing this and are very worried that we may lose this forum, it would appear Mumsnet sponsors are being targeted and money counts. What can we do? I have seen a tightening up of trans talk, which I'm not saying isn't a good thing as tra's seem to be adopting a cleaner approach, Lily Madigan is, by saying her followers shouldn't use Terf etc. To be perfectly honest I have not seem any transphobia on Mumsnet, but still we are being targeted....... What to do to ensure we can carry on discussing this issue??

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OvaHere · 12/04/2018 21:50

Not sure there is anything that we can do to be honest. Unless MN and it's posters capitulate fully to TWAW I doubt they will ever stop attacking. This isn't about how nice we are or how carefully we phrase things it's about total submission.

Whether MNHQ holds the line on sex based reality and WAWAG is up to them.

MsBeaujangles · 12/04/2018 22:00

What's WAWAG and TWAW please?

I've just spotted a revolting message on another thread. Its tone was very anti-trans and nothing like the posts that you find on here and was posted on a thread that hasn't been active since March.

It was quickly reported but not sure how long it'll take to be deleted. It has been up long enough for someone to screenshot and post on Twitter as evidence of Mumsnet posters trans hate. I expect this is part of a strategy.

Ereshkigal · 12/04/2018 22:02

That poster has reanimated several threads.

OvaHere · 12/04/2018 22:03

WAWAG - what about women and girls

TWAW - transwomen are women

MsBeaujangles · 12/04/2018 22:05

Thanks Ova.

Eresh, I hope they get an immediate ban

Notwellbitch · 12/04/2018 22:06

Yes, that poster writes like a caricature of a "terf". Several old threads are being pushed back onto the main page. I am suspicious

UpstartCrow · 12/04/2018 22:06

Reminds me of this sketch;

TripleRainbow · 12/04/2018 22:09

Looks like that poster has been banned.

MsBeaujangles · 12/04/2018 22:10

Haven't seen that before Upstart. It's brilliant and very apt.

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Terfragette69 · 12/04/2018 22:10

I didn't see those posts, that is bloody irritating! I suppose we can quite easily counter those posts by denouncing them and suggest what is happening is tactical. We need to keep going, calm and rational. The tra's are on the ropes in my opinion, too many violent tweets being exposed and the court case today making national newspapers. Who the hell is going to listen to anarchists with their faces covered??

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Notwellbitch · 12/04/2018 22:12

It's so fucking sinister. Their goal is to shut women up and as far as I can see they are succeeding. Feminism topics are now hidden from active conversations. It seems that they are registering accounts purely to post inflammatory bollox in an attempt to misrepresent the posters on here and have MN constantly have to moderate the conversations. So how long until MN just say we can't discuss the issues at all?

LangCleg · 12/04/2018 22:14

Yes, that poster writes like a caricature of a "terf". Several old threads are being pushed back onto the main page. I am suspicious

I thought the same.

Atthebottomofthesea · 12/04/2018 22:16

It is scary. Open an account, post something really controversial, screenshot it, take it back to their twitter account, post it and use as proof that MN is awful.

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Terfragette69 · 12/04/2018 22:21

I have seen this on Twitter but they get shut down quite quickly and laughed at. Getting sick of it now. I think the Girl Guiding open letter might open up the debate?

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TripleRainbow · 12/04/2018 22:22

*UpstartCrow
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The squiffiest of bants Grin

OvaHere · 12/04/2018 22:26

It's hard to say really. This is why the internet and social media is such a minefield. They could be a plant but equally they could be a peed off but inarticulate woman new to MN.

The more oxygen the debate gets the more people join in and not all women are well versed in the background that led to this point. It's the average (wo)man on the street analogy at play. Outside of MN and gender critical circles tons of people aren't polite about transgender ideology, to put it mildly.

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Terfragette69 · 12/04/2018 22:32

No there is a lot of that about transgender ideology but to be fair I think it's fairly pale in comparison to some of the shit the tra's are putting out there! We need to be encouraging polite, holier than though discourse..... Even if it chokes us!

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Melamin · 12/04/2018 22:34

They only posted on threads that had gone quiet. Nothing that was being posted on currently.

Melamin · 12/04/2018 22:42

"Raquel: we cannot afford to get this wrong. The stakes are too high. We must raise the level of the debate "

Twitter post from the meeting.

CircleSquareCircleSquare · 12/04/2018 22:44

Goodness me they are running amok knowing we don’t know where we stand when it comes to reporting.

I’m glad MNHQ got rid of them fairly quickly.

Maybe we need to post something like this when we see one of those posts and maybe even start a thread and kept the comment bounced.

“We won’t accept your transphobia here

Either real (in the line of racism, homophobia etc.) or constructed for nefarious reasons.

We welcome real, robust debate, biological reasoning and standing up for women and girls.

We are not anti trans, we believe the proposed self ID laws have many flaws in their details, many of which could impact women and girls living their everyday lives. We do not believe trans people should face attack.”

Melamin · 12/04/2018 22:49

It had a similar style to one of the tweets on the wpuk hashtag earlier - probably came over from that. The tweeter did not make a lot of sense.

Notwellbitch · 12/04/2018 22:54

Here is a Twitter thread I found detailing mumsnets transphobia and tweeting significant advertisers. I had a look at a few and can honestly say I hadn't noticed the 't' word being used so prolificly around here. Some were clearly taken out of context and even have the word itself in quotation marks indicating that the poster is referring to another group of people who use the word.

mobile.twitter.com/SakuraNoSeirei/status/983787868542914560

0phelia · 12/04/2018 22:58

Hahaa I just clicked and "I'm blocked" so can't view any tweets.
Weirldy amusing because I only have about 20 followers and following about 30 people on my Twitter.

Melamin · 12/04/2018 23:04

It is worth logging out and having a look or use private browsing window?

There is a long list. Some of them are 2010 Confused

Mouthtrousersafrocknowandthen · 12/04/2018 23:08

Well I am out. I will be continuing to work on this in the real world. This bizarre playground that has been set up in Twitter is tragic. I am unwilling to be the subject of such nonsense.

All the best.