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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

To any trans activists reading this forum

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yetanothertranswoman · 01/04/2018 20:15

Fuck off fucking life up for those trans people trying to live our lives.

I heard about some of the stuff people like you got up to but I've had my eyes opened today. Seriously opened.

Stop talking about lady penises.
Stop saying you are a woman.
Stop demanding women be quiet when they raise concerns about what's happening.
Stop harassing woman online
Stop intimidating women trying to speak about their concerns.
Stop initimidating women trying to do a clothes swap.
Stop demanding access to female spaces and just saying "It will be ok"
Stop taking women's spaces as women's officers when you haven't got a fucking clue about life as a woman.

All you are fucking doing is making life more difficult for the rest of us and scaring the shit out of women.

Yes - trans people exist. Some of us have gender dysphoria which is bloody hard to live with. Some people just seem to think that putting on a skirt is enough to make you 'a woman'.

Are you capable of thinking about women and their concerns? All I've seen online is people saying it will be ok.

No - trans people are not the enemy. But there are some trans people and trans activists who scare the shit out of me with their demands and their behaviour.

I've tried to keep my head low and keep out of all this. But no more.

You don't speak for me and you don't speak for many trans people out there.

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LizzieSiddal · 01/04/2018 21:11

Flowers I hope they hear you and listen.

Greymisty · 01/04/2018 21:12

For you op Flowers

ReluctantCamper · 01/04/2018 21:14

Flowers OP. Great post.

Yes, it's a worry that trans people who just want to get on with their lives will get lumped in with TRAs in people's consciousness. The way these people behave jeopardises everyone's safety.

Kneedeepinunicorns · 01/04/2018 21:14

Rant away Any , get it out of your system, we're listening and you are being heard.

CardsforKittens · 01/04/2018 21:14
Flowers
Kneedeepinunicorns · 01/04/2018 21:15

Any?? OP even!

HairyBallTheorem · 01/04/2018 21:17

Flowers and a big hug for try as well - sorry this whole shitfest is getting to you. I've really appreciated all your posts (though quite understand if you want to take a break).

MarthaArthur · 01/04/2018 21:19

CakeFlowers

NowtSalamander · 01/04/2018 21:21

Wine yetanother

I’ll drink with you and toast the time when this bullshit ends. Hope we all stay safe till then.

Vickxy · 01/04/2018 21:23

I've come to the conclusion that the most vocal TRAs don't actually give a shit about trans folk with dysphoria, they are actually just MRAs who have found a 'progressive' way to bully women and be considered the good guys whilst doing so.

I came to that conclusion a while ago tbh. This is why it annoys me so much to see other 'feminists' backing up the MRAs, oh sorry, TRAs. They genuinely seem to think they are fighting for transsexual people, when the GRA changes and such will not help transsexual people in any way, nor will businesses adopting 'self ID' and such. Its just nonsense. The fact that most TRAs call transsexual people truscum was enough to convince me that they are not in any way wanting to help transsexual people. I then clicked onto how similar to MRAs they really are.

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Flowers for the OP.

To any trans activists reading this forum
PositivelyPERF · 01/04/2018 21:24

I’m glad to see you backTruscum. I had noticed you haven’t been around, but wasn’t sure if you had made a name change. Though in saying that, I didn’t read any posts that ‘sounded’ like you. 🌹

NoSquirrels · 01/04/2018 21:25
Flowers

I actually like the #transrightsarehumanrights thing - because this is true. Trans people are people, and their rights are human rights.

What they aren't is #women'srights. They're #transrights.

We can all work together on this if each side makes room.

But while one side is screaming and refusing to even acknowledge there's a conflict to solve, women can't budge either.

I want you to feel safe, yetanother. I want Truscum to feel safe. I want everyone to feel respected and listened to.

More Flowers for you.

Bufferingkisses · 01/04/2018 21:32

Thank you yetanother. I was having this conversation with my child last night. Previously I was worried they would be singled out in a pub or called out in a bathroom - normal mother worries given the situation I think.

Now I'm terrified they'll be outed by a daily mail reader as an activist and get real trouble. Turns out they feel the same. All they want is to quietly get on with their life. The last thing they want is to cause disquiet or upset. They know the difference between nipping in for a pee and demanding to be allowed in a women's refuge - as any right thinking person does.

The whole thing is so sad for all the people who just want to live their lives. I hate that women are being silenced but I hate - possibly more - that trans people are being silenced unless they say the "right" things. I dont see how anyone is going to win here Sad

RogerAllamsFangirl · 01/04/2018 21:35
Thanks
BoogieFeet · 01/04/2018 21:36

Flowers for the OP

Teacuphiccup · 01/04/2018 21:36

Totally agree squirrels
One of the things I’ve found so hard about this whole thing is seeing how erm I’m not sure if the right word, dispensable? Women are.

Why are people not questioning the fact that women who have literally dedicated their lives to gay rights and equality have suddenly become bigots? Why are they so quick to just dismiss us as hateful harpies.

It’s revealed to me a level of misogyny that I thought had disappeared years ago.

On the other hand I have discovered a complete love and respect for older women. They are fucking fearless and inspire me everyday.

Amethyst975 · 01/04/2018 21:40
Thanks
PoliticallyHomeless · 01/04/2018 21:44

This makes me so sad/angry.

Flowers yetanother and Truscum. We're with you!

bellasuewow · 01/04/2018 21:50

Awesome post, thank you for standing up for trans people and women 💐💐

newtlover · 01/04/2018 21:53

great post OP
would be great if enuine transexuals were able to get together and be heard- but I understad how difficult that could be
similarly we could do with hearing more from gender critical men (straight and gay)

waterlego6064 · 01/04/2018 21:54

Thank you yetanothertranswoman and Truscum. Your courage in speaking out is very much appreciated and valued. I am very sorry that you and your fellow genuine transwomen are being misrepresented so horribly by these aggressive individuals.

Thank you for identifying with women, to use the marvellous phrase coined by Debbie Hayton in her recent article. 💐

CuppaTeaAndAJammieDodger · 01/04/2018 21:56
Flowers
womanhuman · 01/04/2018 22:03

Thanks yet and tru.

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Cwenthryth · 01/04/2018 22:11

I want to give you a huge round of applause, bunch of flowers and a massive hug, OP, if you’re a hugging kind of person. I’m not usually a hugger but some occasions call for it don’t they. The whole TRA agenda stinks, to put it mildly.

Tygr are you able to say which party?

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