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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

To any trans activists reading this forum

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yetanothertranswoman · 01/04/2018 20:15

Fuck off fucking life up for those trans people trying to live our lives.

I heard about some of the stuff people like you got up to but I've had my eyes opened today. Seriously opened.

Stop talking about lady penises.
Stop saying you are a woman.
Stop demanding women be quiet when they raise concerns about what's happening.
Stop harassing woman online
Stop intimidating women trying to speak about their concerns.
Stop initimidating women trying to do a clothes swap.
Stop demanding access to female spaces and just saying "It will be ok"
Stop taking women's spaces as women's officers when you haven't got a fucking clue about life as a woman.

All you are fucking doing is making life more difficult for the rest of us and scaring the shit out of women.

Yes - trans people exist. Some of us have gender dysphoria which is bloody hard to live with. Some people just seem to think that putting on a skirt is enough to make you 'a woman'.

Are you capable of thinking about women and their concerns? All I've seen online is people saying it will be ok.

No - trans people are not the enemy. But there are some trans people and trans activists who scare the shit out of me with their demands and their behaviour.

I've tried to keep my head low and keep out of all this. But no more.

You don't speak for me and you don't speak for many trans people out there.

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Tackytriceratops · 02/04/2018 09:39

Sorry, yetanother. Not awake yet.

Tackytriceratops · 02/04/2018 09:39

(Because of pregnancy and poorly children in the night)

Waddlelikeapenguin · 02/04/2018 09:48
Flowers & for tru too
Freshlylaidterf · 02/04/2018 09:55

Well said op

LostArt · 02/04/2018 10:20

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Floisme · 02/04/2018 10:47

Thank you so much for this thread yet. And you tooTruscum.
Flowers
I hope we can support each other.

yetanothertranswoman · 02/04/2018 11:19

I've reposted this on AIBU.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3209903-to-say-not-in-my-name?trending=1

A lot of this has been building inside me and I was struggling to find the right words. I wish I could explain what it's like to be 'me' but that's for another day.

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QuentinSummers · 02/04/2018 11:22

Please do explain what it's like. I want to understand more.

Ohforfoxsakereturns · 02/04/2018 11:27

Well said OP. I stand with you, your voice is important. Thank you for using it. Flowers

Thanksforthatamazingpost · 02/04/2018 12:03

[truscum]

misscockerspaniel · 02/04/2018 16:07

Just and Truscum a virtual invite to Brew and Cake.

Truscum · 02/04/2018 22:38

After venturing onto sm again I’ll take the Wine Grin

yetanothertranswoman · 08/04/2018 15:04

I feel that this is an appropriate time to bump this up - given that there are trans activists and journalists reading this.

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pieceofpurplesky · 08/04/2018 15:08

🙌🏻

Ereshkigal · 08/04/2018 15:16

Absolutely Thanks

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 08/04/2018 15:39

Flowers and solidarity

And some Gin

flowersonthepiano · 08/04/2018 15:48

TRAs are the worst sort of transphobes. They're pretending to be you yetanother and they are fooling so many people.

So many are like Rachel Dolezal 'identifying as black', but everyone is falling for it.

Greymisty · 08/04/2018 18:09

Wine Flowers

misscockerspaniel · 08/04/2018 18:18

To any TRAs reading this, please can we have your comments on the Laurel Hubbard story. You have left that thread alone. You know, the one about the 40 year old competing in the women's weightlifting at the Commonwealth Games. Or may be, that is a step too far, even for you.

SecretsRsecrets · 08/04/2018 20:50

This is an excellent thread, glad that it is being bumped.

More Wine and Flowers

Jayceedove · 08/04/2018 22:12

Happy to add my voice to this important thread, yetanother.

I am a transsexual woman who transitioned 45 years ago. With a GRC and amended birth certificate.

The whole debate is dominated by those who do not like the current rules that were carefully crafted in 2004 to protect trans people from hurting themselves or acting without thought that might hurt others.

To alter those you have to prove why.

These rules protect society, particularly women, who have to live with and accommodate those who are franchised by changing gender.

In return for that bond of trust from women it is totally fair and utterly reasonable to expect some demonstration of necessity and sincerity.

The right to ask for evidence is theirs. It is not yours to demand,.

This means you should prove mental stability, your objectivity in knowing what is and is not possible within the realms of biological reality, and to be properly assessed by doctors and psychiatrists to eliminate problems that can be better resolved in other ways.

If those doctors conclude that you should physically adapt your body as far as possible to allow you to integrate into society without limited intrusion then you can be granted special exemption to change gender.

It should be something that is granted by society as it is an extraordinary request. Not assumed to be a free choice.

It should take effort and resolve and not be easy.

This is the rest of your life you are talking about after all.

You want something this badly you should have to prove its necessity.

You should have to demonstrate that you are mentally stable and do not have some treatable psychiatric condition or fetish that might hurt others even with no intent or malice by yourself.

And you should have to prove after a suitable period of time, not five minutes on line, that this transition has cured your dysphoria and you have become a stable contributor to society and not a drain upon it.

If you argue that this is too hard and want to fill out a form, not bother to see a doctor as I don't want to change my body anyway, nor should I have to wait - just give me a new birth certificate, please.

Well that is not enough.

If you want to change the world's perception of you and be accepted by women as a non threatening presence then you should at least be willing to prove that you are doing this as an absolute necessity within your life.

Self ID removes necessary gatekeeping that protects society from misuse and guards the transitioner from their own mistakes.

There is no magic way of 'changing sex'.

You should not expect the world just to believe if you say you have.

You should follow the steps that are in place to make transition safe and monitored for all - including yourself.

Changing 'sex' is not and should not ever be made as easy as changing socks.

CATTamongthepigeons · 08/04/2018 22:18

Flowers Thanks to all of you.

Greymisty · 09/04/2018 16:14

@jayceedove Flowers

HatFullofStars · 09/04/2018 17:26

yetanothertranswoman Flowers

I've been reading the Feminism forum for a while now, but your OP has finally made me post, which I haven't done before - not great at getting my words down.
I hate what the TRAs are doing to transwomen like yourself and I hate more what those people are making me think about all trans generally.

I like to think I'm a live and let live sort of person but their vile hate was making me become someone I'm not. I was becoming someone who would have let you become collateral damage, and I'm sorry for that. Because of your opening post I've had a bloody hard look at myself and I promise I won't do that again.
I never used to have a problem with transwomen and I'm so angry with those people who were making me change my outlook.
So thank you yetanothertranswoman and to all the transwomen who post here. Gin

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