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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

How to make love to a trans woman

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PsychoPumpkin · 22/03/2018 10:08

Article link.

transsingleblog.wordpress.com/2016/04/25/make-love-with-transgender-females/

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conservativeuterus · 27/03/2018 10:53

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PsychoPumpkin · 27/03/2018 15:00

Perhaps not, conservative, but I wonder if they’d agree with the article that neovaginas are fresher and cleaner and better than the average old vagina?

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StormcloakNord · 27/03/2018 15:06

Where can I buy me one of these fake new vaginas? Apparently mine is stale and rubbish.

GayAllen · 27/03/2018 15:10

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GayAllen · 27/03/2018 15:11

“.....so a trans fuck front hole is not such a stretch if you ask me”

Pun intended?? 😁😁

GayAllen · 27/03/2018 15:15

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picklemepopcorn · 27/03/2018 15:40

I know the original article is shocking, but it was written by one person. I am gendercritical, thoroughly support all the feminist work about the GRA.

This thread however, has got pretty mean. I don't think it's necessary to be as graphically unpleasant as this.

conservativeuterus · 27/03/2018 16:25

GayAllen I did realise that I had made a pun, about 10 minutes after I posted that! Grin

PositivelyPERF · 27/03/2018 16:32

This thread however, has got pretty mean. I don't think it's necessary to be as graphically unpleasant as this.

I know I would definitely be considered a massive terf and am seriously against self I’d, calling men women, etc, but I have to agree. Those comments are way out of hand. There’s a difference between thinking the article is horribly insulting to woman and saying what a load of misogynistic shit it is, discussing that, and then those mocking comments. Those are away over the top.

PositivelyPERF · 27/03/2018 16:33

That was a bit garbled, but you get my drift.

PsychoPumpkin · 27/03/2018 18:13

Which comments exactly?

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BeUpStanding · 27/03/2018 20:03

Another one here thinking many of these comments are too unpleasant and mean-spirited. I wouldn't want the FWR board on MN to be judged by this thread.

picklemepopcorn · 28/03/2018 18:58

The ones using really crude language, describing someone's body in horrible and graphic terms. The most of the TRAs we feel angry toward don't even have the surgery. When we talk like that it makes it a hostile and distressing place for all transsexuals, including those who have no quarrel with us and who we claim to care about.

PsychoPumpkin · 28/03/2018 19:43

Ah yes, I see which ones you mean.

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gingergenius · 28/03/2018 23:00

I watched a very harrowing account of a transwoman who was killed as a result of being trans.

It was disgusting and abhorrent. This person, who had never felt aligned with their Birth sex transitioned at 18, used hormones etc to achieve a semblance of acceptance of themselves.

It seems they were murdered by men who took exception to the fact that although they presented as feminine, they had been born male.

Utterly horrific. I wept as I watched and understood how utterly distraught this person and their family and friends must have felt.

Not a single natal woman was responsible for this.

I just wish, more than anything is that trans women would embrace their own narrative, and understand by doing so, that natal women would (as far as I've come to know) utterly support their struggle. Because we've been there.

AjasLipstick · 29/03/2018 00:11

Ginger that's very eloquently put.

I have cried over the stories of transwomen too. Venus Xtravaganza was one of the first people I ever came across who was trans. She was murdered in New York in the early 80s and to see her speak, in the film Paris is Burning....KNOWING how her life ended before the film was even released....she was so vulnerable and obviously not a male though she'd not had an operation, would break the heart of anyone with sensitivity.

pebkac · 29/03/2018 12:08

'The ones using really crude language, describing someone's body in horrible and graphic terms'

This extends to the original article, and indeed the ongoing misogyny and body horror of TRAs in describing women's sexuality and genitalia - supposedly the sex they want to join in full. Privately, I think it's compete with. I remember the furore at Suzanne Moore's article about the appearance of a Brazilian Trans being unattainable for women.

It is indeed sad to get past the PR and find out that a surgically created vagina is a poor substitute in function, if not in outward appearance. Same with the FTM penis, I understand. You wouldn't think it if you went by how the transitions are presented to the world.

AskBasil · 29/03/2018 13:41

I'm uncomfortable about the tone of some of the posts.

But as I recently reminded myself on another thread, it is absolutely essential that women reserve the right to laugh at men, even cruelly, just as they laugh at us.

Women are constantly being mocked by men, just ask any skinny or overweight teenage girl, middle aged woman or old woman how often a man has said something vile to her about her looks, not once in her lifetime, but constantly. Men are really horribly cruel to women about our appearance and no-one notices the shocking cruelty of it. When women do it to men, the way we sometimes do here on Mumsnet, it is noticed and condemned and women feel deeply uncomfortable about it.

Because the other way round, it is taboo. That aposite quote, that men 's biggest fear of women, is that we'll laugh at them, while women's biggest fear of men, is that we'll kill them, has actually set up a scenario where when we laugh at men, it's almost perceived as on the same level as a man killing us. In fact, when you get a man murdering his wife because she laughed at him, the Daily Mail et al will show very clearly where their sympathies lie.

So I'd just like women to remember that, when they chastise other women for laughing at men. Laughing at men is a political issue.

AskBasil · 29/03/2018 13:42

Sorry I mean women's biggest fear of men, is that they'll kill us.

AskBasil · 29/03/2018 13:43

And yeah, I don't mean by that that women laughing at men only do so as a political act, sometimes they are just being nasty and cruel.

But still....

picklemepopcorn · 29/03/2018 13:45

I'm happy to laugh at men. I'm not happy to join in the ridiculing and belittling of anyone. The original article was indeed disgusting- but also pathetic and unconvincing .

I wouldn't want to descend to the same level. We have no need to become the harpies they think feminists are.

picklemepopcorn · 29/03/2018 13:46

I think what is left is all acceptable. S9me of the deleted posts were over the line.

SunsetBeetch · 29/03/2018 16:57

Agreed with you, picklemepopcorn. It's the behaviour that's the issue and I'd hate some of the non-TRA trans people to see some of the remarks.

To me this article and the Paris Lee's one is dripping with sexual inexperience and frustration. And they're taking it out on women, just like MRAs and MGTOW do. I was initially disgusted, but I now feel a bit sorry for them too. A little bit.

MrGHardy · 29/03/2018 19:04

"Most men on this planet will not experience the transgender sex experience due to a combination of social conditioning and internalized inhibitions; they are missing out big time. Sex with a transgender woman is an exhilarating experience. The whole experience is further enhanced due to the novelty factor and the knowledge that most men will go to the grave without experiencing this “forbidden” pleasure."

I spat out the water I was drinking. They're trying to get people to fuck TIMs by painting it as "naughty" or "kinky" or "special"? I can't...this is too funny. I can't finish reading that.

MrGHardy · 29/03/2018 19:09

Ok I read more...hahahahahahahahaha I can't stop laughing, is this parody? Surely TRAs would be up in arms about this, this is so fucked up sexualizing, fetishizing TIMs

"...you get to connect with your animal side during the whole episode" - this is basically advertising TIMs as sex doll fantasies for men.