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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

BBC Question Time Paris Lees

217 replies

ILikeBigCrisps · 15/03/2018 23:45

Next week in Leeds! Other guests TBC.....

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Judashascomeintosomemoney · 21/03/2018 19:42

Oh my god. Peter Hitchens too. I don’t think I’ll be able to watch.
I'm mentally preparing myself to be unsurprised that Peter Hitchens ends up being the most feminist person on the entire show
He has written about the whole trans thing very recently, enough to be called a transphobe and probably an honoury terf, not that he gives a shit of course, but his perspective is more from the it's child abuse to pump pre pubescent children with puberty blockers rather than a from a feminist perspective.

Judashascomeintosomemoney · 21/03/2018 19:48

And to put PH as the gender critical voice in front of an audience of under-30s is deliberately framing us as bigots
Actually, I don’t think he’s there for that at all. I think the BBC have got him on because he’s very likely to be (surprisingly) in agreement with Corbyn on the Russia issue. They’ve got to make it up to Little OJ after the other night after all. If he’s in any way gender critical, that’ll just be the cherry on top for the BBC.

OldCrone · 21/03/2018 19:50

it's child abuse to pump pre pubescent children with puberty blockers
Is this not a feminist perspective? Young children are being groomed into a trans identity because they are gender non-conforming, so I would see being against this as very much a feminist position.

Terfmore · 21/03/2018 22:04

I like the straight talking right wing bastard types even though I'm labour. I wouldn't want to go up against Peter Hitchens and I don't think it matters who raises it as it effects all women

LassWiADelicateAir · 21/03/2018 22:13

I like the straight talking right wing bastard types even though I'm labour

Yes me too. (Apart from the Labour bit)

silveradodreams · 21/03/2018 23:24

I gave a little cheer when I saw PH was appearing as he should see PL off without raising a sweat.

Judashascomeintosomemoney · 21/03/2018 23:56

so I would see being against this as very much a feminist position
I meant that I’m not sure Peter Hitchens does. Maybe that doesn’t matter though.

cuirderussie · 22/03/2018 07:04

I wish Christopher Hitchens was alive for the trans insanity! It'd be one of the few things he and Peter would agree on Grin

ArcheryAnnie · 22/03/2018 12:29

And to put PH as the gender critical voice in front of an audience of under-30s is deliberately framing us as bigots.

I think Pratchet has it exactly right, here. alas.

I don't like broccoli. Former right-wing US president George Bush doesn't - allegedly - like broccoli. But that's probably about all we agree on, on every issue under the sun. I feel, over the trans issue, very like I am constantly being told I'm exactly like George Bush in every way, just because neither of us like broccoli, when I have spent my entire political life opposing the George Bushes of this world on practically every other issue imaginable. And even a mutual dislike of broccoli would not make me vote for George Bush.

Disclaimer: this issue is a lot more important that green vegetables, but still, it won't make me magically like right-wingers any more than I usually do, even if for some of them we agree on this. Because I don't think we have the same reasons, for a start.

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 22/03/2018 13:47

Oh I'm getting the wine open for this tonight. I'm happy it's Peter Hitchens. It will raise the awareness of this more.

Ellenripleysalienbaby · 22/03/2018 14:27

I'm not watching this. Peter Hitchens will be the 'bigot' and it will just be a room full of woke under 30s repeating 'transwomen are women' and how transwomen are so much more oppressed than anyone else.

Pratchet · 22/03/2018 15:37

I think Lees might criticise transactivist homophobia, just as a sort of loss leader.

To be honest I don't think I can bear to watch. The BBC is so wrong to put four men and a female trans ally on a panel where the GRA is bound to come up. I think it's cruel and deliberate.

incorruptibledream · 22/03/2018 23:30

The MN bigots have been put in their place tonight I'm afraid. Go Paris!

Pratchet · 22/03/2018 23:31

I wish he would go. Misogynist prick.

Viviennemary · 22/03/2018 23:35

Well I think she has been coming over very well so far.

OhGodWhatTheHellNow · 22/03/2018 23:36

Bogus suicide stat went unchallenged again. That was a sickening display. I should have known better than to watch.

LemonadeWithACherry · 22/03/2018 23:42

Fffffuck. Can't believe I was dying for Hitchens to speak - or that he didn't. Angry

smashyourglasses · 22/03/2018 23:44

What MN bigots? Confused

busyboysmum · 22/03/2018 23:56

Well I think they just totally avoided the question of self-identification didn't they so it didn't really answer the question at all or engage with any of the issues.

Wheresmyfuckingcupcake · 23/03/2018 00:03

If “putting the feminist bigots in their place” can only be achieved by ensuring no dissenting voice is on the panel then I wouldn’t be too cocky about the strength of your position if I were you.
You can run from the truth but you can’t hide. And the truth is xx chromosomes make you a woman and nothing else can. Even poor old Paris probably has to acknowledge that sometimes, in the wee small hours when the chorus of sycophants isnt available to give reassurance.

Terfman · 23/03/2018 00:06

Reality is now fecked.

Pratchet · 23/03/2018 00:11

Cupcake: absolooootely. Fixing the panel (manel) is the only way they can do it.

mirialis · 23/03/2018 00:11

Ones who believe that transwomen are males smashy - that's what it means to be an MN bigot.

PL always does come across well - the shouty and whiny blokes in the audience telling us that TWs are FEMALE and they don't want to hear from feminists who have got it wrong and boo hoo AWS so unfair... not so much (and I'm actually undecided about AWS but until women are equally represented I cba at all with the "unfair" argument).

Was a shame PH was given no opportunity to come back to PL's statement about his article about the stance towards trans kids in school but he didn't really seem to have the will - I would have felt it would have been a pointless exercise too, with the entire panel and audience in woke mode.

I do wonder why no one is questioning why trans kids are not committing suicide more than other kids if 45% of them are "actually attempting to kill themselves" as PL says.

I have to say, though, I'm in another country at the moment and have just been offered a job and am planning to emigrate and I'll feel an awful lot more relaxed about having a dc in school here. DH and I were looking round the town we are planning to move to and were by the school at break time and it was just a bunch of kids messing about in their jeans and jumpers - no skirts or make up on either sex. Who knows if I will have a dc that turns out to be trans but there is nothing in the news about it here, no campaigns, no mermaids, nothing. Just kids being kids. Maybe that will change but it doesn't seem to be such an issue in non-anglophone (should that be cis-anglophone? Hmm) countries.

Wheresmyfuckingcupcake · 23/03/2018 00:24

I know who they should have had on - Julie bindel. Or her mate rod Liddle. Either of them would have had the guts to provide balance.

HaroldsSoCalledBluetits · 23/03/2018 00:33

Well I think Hitchens nailed his colours to the mast quite clearly - no amount of children being chemically castrated is going to be worth speaking up about compared to having the opportunity to have a go at any attempts to achieve representative parity for women. He's found new allies in the woke folk and that is by being, like them, anti women. Arsehole