BBC Question Time Paris Lees

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‘Serves them right’ being exactly the sort of mindset that TRAs use to beat up women that dare to centre women in their feminism. Nice to know that nothing changes with transitioning.

Well I'd say PL is very good at controlling their own life narrative; I can only find fawning articles about how courageous and a voice for the oppressed they are, usually by PL her/himself.

When would that have been notterf?

From the timeline of events in that interview provided by PL plus Brighton uni having PL down as having graduated in 2009, I think PL must be at least 32 but "identifying" as a younger model. Lots do, I guess.

Yeah that's confusing me, cause PL is younger than me, and the spice girls were big before I was an adult, yet PL was apparently 16 (so 2003?)..?

The transcrime website has the conviction as pre 2000

I think there may be a bit of confusion here with Paris Green, aka Peter Laing, who kicked a man to death over a bag of chips, and then got moved about women's prisons because he kept on having sex (whether consensual or not we don't know) with women prisoners.

I mean confusion earlier with what crime was what - have just caught up on thread and it's moved on!

If Paris Lees was 16 at the time he was definitely an abused teenager. If he was a woman I would definitely class that as abuse and I don't think the fact that he is male makes any difference to that.

That article is quite sad. He’s just a gay bloke who likes stereotypically girly things. A lot of his early trauma comes from bog standard homophobia. It’s that that needs stamping out.

I think it's true. Homophobia was his enemy, not feminists.

I agree. From what he's said, he was active in the gay scene and well into its culture. But things happened that alienated him and made him consider alternatives.

Yes, I do think that it sounds like PL had a terrible time as a gay teenager/young adult. Maybe transitioning helped them step away from those things, I don't know?

None of that means PL is a woman though. PL has a set of experiences as a gay man and then a transwoman that, as a woman, I will never understand. Which is partly why lumping transwomen in with women is kind of pointless.

That Guardian article is really sad and deserves its own thread

So according to him, the victim was a man who exploited young boys... implication being it served him right

To be fair to Paris Lees if there was no violence involved stealing money off the bloke who is pimping you out is hadly the crime of the century. If Paris had been a teenage girl I doubt you would criticise it.

It was a client, and the robbery must have been fairly violent I suppose to merit a two year sentence. Still, you could argue that any adult paying teenagers for sex is hardly a sympathetic character.

Paris Lees did not steal money from his pimp; he and the pimp (or accomplice) both worked together to rob a client.

PL and the other defendant were charged and convicted together.

And the sentence of two years suggests more than simply taking money from someone.

Cross-posted with NotTerf.

My googling is obvs a bit shit as well as I just tried via proxy!

My proxy doesn't support google, I've just discovered!

There were clearly a lot of attempts at enforcing gender stereotypes in PL's childhood and teenage years

PL seems to have pulled off the obscurity about true age by being 25 or 26 for a long time - such as being 25 in Oct 2017

The legal site I was using to search convictions doesn't go back to pre 2000, so if it was then I'm not going to find it.