Leanne Wood has responded to her tweet

[Callmejudith]

www.leannerhondda.wales/inclusive_feminism

Sigh

Indeed Kochab

A few days ago in Canada Doug Ford (brother of Rob) became the new leader of Ontario's PC Party. He's got similar appeal to Trump and there are definitely movements growing dedicated to get him elected in the same way that happened in the US.

Canada has been at the forefront of a lot of far left politics and the C-16 bill has resulted in a lot of pushback.

I don't know if it will play out that way because Trump has certainly been a learning curve for many but the growing sentiment is there.

I said this when brexit happened - there is a huge backlash against this kind of extreme left viewpoint. I believe it helped the brexit campaign and I believe it helped trump get in as well.

The thing is, ID pol is not an extreme left movement. It's an authoritarian movement hijacking the language of the left. It has no class analysis. It's highly individualistic and nothing at all to do with, for example. socialism.

That's what's so infuriating for those of us who actually are on the left. We have nowhere to go at all.

There is a sore need for a sensible, moderate political stance just now

I've said this before on here but I do think this. The old centre position collapsed with the financial crisis in 2008. We will be unstable until a new one emerges and you can see this via Trump, Brexit and other events throughout the advanced Western economies. Speaking personally, I would likely still be to the left of any new centre position but that doesn't mean I don't think we need one. We do. So that our politics can orbit around it and the extremities aren't commanding centre stage.

For pity's sake. Why are people still peddling this bullshit.

I absolutely support the right of everyone to present themselves however they want. To feel safe, to have dignity & support. But everyone means everyone. No one group should have the right to demand any of thise things at the expense of any other group.

Everyone is potentially at risk of sexual assault. Males, Females, children,
& the elderly. Gay, straight, trans, intersex, genderfluid. Disabled, POC. Anyone. Male & female people can potentially perpetrate these crimes however the vast majority are committed by people identified male at birth. And while everyone who suffers such a crime must surely go through trauma, it is only biological females of childbearing age who have the additional concern of potential pregnancy & its consequences. Speaking as someone who endured repeated violent rape within a longterm relationship I find the TRA attitude on this to be deeply exclusionary & hateful.

If misogyny was recognised as a hate crime I suspect the crime statistics in this country, probably many countries, would look very different. I sometimes wonder if that's part of the reason why the government doesn't want to change the law. I think perhaps pushing for this would be helpful as it would help to shut down a large part of the TRAs arguments by showing them up for exactly what they are.

I often wonder where we'd be if Corbyn and Bromentum had won the last Election, and what the UK would be like after 4years.

I remember praying at the time that Corbyn would win!

Disclaimer - not that any of the other parties are covering themselves with Glory on this issue btw.

I often wonder where we'd be if Corbyn and Bromentum had won the last Election, and what the UK would be like after 4years.
I remember praying at the time that Corbyn would win!

I voted for Labour despite going off Corbyn and have since thought the same thing. I can't vote labour again whilst it is hating on women, happy to gaslight and make children sterile to please men.

They are all liars, liars, liars, every party and that's why I am not voting for any of them.

TheGoldenBough You were right, in my opinion, to discuss this with her. Honestly it sounds like an inculcation into a religious sect.

langcleg yes, I agree.

still can’t vote UKIP and I’m not in Scotland

The SNP is fully supportive of self-ID

Sadly I think the SNP will push this through soon in the name of 'progression'. Had a quick google of this new Scottish Family Party. They are against self id but i'm not keen on their stance generally. I am now a politically homeless Scot

I’m politically homeless too -voted for the Independant candidate last time. No liberal candidate, won’t vote Labour, conservative or UKIP. Feeling this our politicians have no vision, leadership or courage. After Corbyn’s response to the Salisbury poisoning I don’t know if Labour can ever come back.

Also politically homeless.

It will be a spoiled ballot for me at the mext electin unless something major happens.

I can't vote Tory and there is no one else.

As a lifelong Labour supporter, I'm gutted.

PeteandManu, is he getting criticised for his response?
He has a gift of coming out and giving an opinion when he should remain silent, and radio silence when you need him there as an effective opposition.

Politically homeless here too. Have always been a green voter, but voted labour last time because i wanted tory out and knew green didnt stand a chance.

Greens totally lost my vote with the non-men bullshit and even more so recently with the women of all genders bullshit too.

There is not one party the supports or is interested in biological women. Its a fucking disgrace!

Mayday - yes The Times reporting is critical, response of senior labour backbencher -Yvette Cooper etc in backing the Govenment response is and comments on Newsnight and Any Questions. Mind you Owen Jones had a spirited defence of Corbyn.

Everything i'd like to say has been said but i'm just going to leave this here incase Leanne reads this.

Leanne, i've always liked you as a politician and have given you a lot of support on my social media but i'm afraid that i'll be discontinuing that support now that I see your position on women.

Now the chief executive of the body promoting women's equality in Wales is of the same mind as Leanne. I am so depressed...
www.cteg.org.uk/chwarae-teg-chief-executive-cerys-furlong-has-spoken-out-in-support-of-trans-equality/

Figures. They're taking the easy way out, it's easier to try and guilt women in to giving up the right to privacy and dignity than it is to change the culture of toxic masculinity.

If we all rolled over and started bleating out the TW are W mantra, TIMs would still be at risk of violence perpetrated by other men. Nothing would change.

I guess we can now add #plaidlosingwomen to #labourlosingwomen

I keep wondering is there some sinister masterplan going on here that they know something we don't, or are they truly this blindly and irresponsibly oblivious to the obvious wider implications? Having seen the chocolate teapots that make it into the high levels of local government I serious suspect the second, but I'm not sure which option is the more alarming.

KneeDeep, sadly I think it's just stupidity combined with lazily saying the 'right' things.

Both Leanne's tweet and her defence of it ('outdated ideas of biology' ffs) evidence this. Pandering to a tiny toxic minority and throwing women on the bonfire in the process. Doesn't indicate a great level of intellect or a generous set of critical thinking skills does it?

I voted Plaid in the last election btw but won't be doing that again. Do yeah #PlaidLosingWomen

So, not 'do'

Vaguely

She is clearly vacant...

I have never heard anything she has said and thought anything other than repeating or copying someone else - I doubt she has had an original thought ever.

Politicians probably do need to be paid bit more to attract some better quality people - it is embarrassing to see people are that really unable to adapt and react to any given situation other than defensively.

Respectable someone commented on a thread some days ago that the good ones never escape the low levels of the party, I can't remember the reasons why. But the first time I heard Anne Ruzylo speak on youtube the first thought I had was bloody hell, you never hear a speaker of this calibre never mind a woman at the high levels of any of the parties. Theresa May can barely respond to a question without a script: you never hear her able to talk calmly, fluently, articulately to a room with full knowledge of a subject.

It's terrifying how glass bubble and detached from reality the whole system of UK politics has become, from local councils upwards.