Leanne Wood has responded to her tweet

[Callmejudith]

www.leannerhondda.wales/inclusive_feminism

Sigh

credit to SmurforTerf and RedToothbrush for the very funny question which I shamelessly stole.

If she actually said "biological sex is a social construct" why isn't she being laughed out of the building??

I speak as the mother of a son who has told me he wants to be female. Clearly I don`t want them to be assaulted for the way they are, but neither would I want them to cause alarm or distress to others as quite frankly there is no difference in the way they look or behave. The whole thing is very upsetting for the family.

The proposed changes to the Gender Recognition Act don’t affect the exemptions under the Equality Act for single sex services.

This, from her article, is completely disingenuous. Sex based exemptions are meaningless if anyone can self-identify as either sex.

sportinguista
Maybe I'm overly optimistic about the number of people who will actually transition and it may well be that Pharma wants to cash in on some drugs they have while they can.
I know I'm basing my predictions of actual number of potential patients on my belief that this is a passing fad with the potential of longterm damage to women in general and to the individuals who get caught up in it. I might be entirely wrong however and numbers might really increase massively and then it would be a valuable future market for pharma. It's a bit of a gamble for them though.

I don't know them PeteandManu and I'm in Scotland. I'll see what I can find about them.

Being a DV worker isn't necessarily a good reference - working with vulnerable women attracts many bullies - they get to feel better about themselves by "helping" but all the time are hostaged to the patriarchy in various ways

If she actually said "biological sex is a social construct" why isn't she being laughed out of the building??
She didn't actually say that in the article. What she said was
A feminism that understands that gender is a complex and deeply personal thing, and is about so much more than outdated ideas of biology.

Which is almost as bad. Despite heading the article with the words 'Inclusive Feminism', she doesn't seem to have a clue about what feminism actually is.

She didn't actually say that in the article

She said it in the tweet. I just made a new email address and posted.

Outdated notions of biology my arse,

KochabRising Love your post and await the responses with interest.

I doubt she’ll respond.

Although it’d be fun if she did. The last politician I engaged with in person who tried to patronise me on science got a shock ;)

After recording mingle on ‘any questions’ - still one of my favourite memories :)
Seeing dimbleby listening and smiling was also amusing :)

I don't know where to start with the level of debate coming from some of Leanne's supporters on there;

Informed poster: "Have a look at this" - links Sages leaflet
TRA plopper: "That has mistakes".
Informed poster: "Really, what/where?"
TRA plopper: "I don't have time to tell you"

!! Seriously! If you have an opinion at least provide something to back it up!

KochabRising
Can you link to the tweet where she said "biological sex is a social construct"? I'm not on twitter, so I don't think I can see all her tweets.

Am even more enraged about this today. Will get a new email address to post on her thread as I have a justifiable paranoia of this affecting DH's job. Although he agrees with me and is happy for me to speak out.
Yesterday my smallest daughter was talking about history "When was it decided that men would be in charge Mummy?" We talked about female biology, and how that left women vulnerable. I then explained to both daughters why I was fighting on this issue, why I would not vote for any party that supported self id. Then 13 year old daughter, worried, said "If this becomes law here can we move to another country? I don't want to have men in changing rooms or loos with me, I don't want to change if there is a boy or a man there..." A whole generation of girls being told that a boy's feelings would trump their need for safety and privacy, and being told this by a female Welsh politician. I absolutely despair. I've never felt so depressed about politics, so let down. I'm going to the Woman's Place meeting in Cardiff.

oldcrone I’m not either but if you go to the top of this thread someone put a screenshot of the actual tweet in.

I love the responses to her!

I’m assuming that tweet was her by the way - if I’m wrong on that then my bad.

I’ve told her off for it anyway because she is t understanding the difference between gender and sex, and I’m really quite fed up

As to who is funding trans -

Big players. Really big players.

I've read stuff naming George Soros, and Bill Gates (through Planned Parenthood).

(Haven't got links, but a quick google will bring up the info)

And here's an article link for more billionaire finders ....

thefederalist.com/2018/02/20/rich-white-men-institutionalizing-transgender-ideology/

Sir: my 13 year old signed petition- she is on the ball with this from the side of receiving the gender pressure to conform to a stereotype or you are in the wrong body.

She asked if she could sign and if I could find out. I did and anyone can sign - think of it as a petition in the street.

If you go on the petition website you will see there are stacks of random petitions - we are asking to be heard in the shaping of debate and not told we are transphobic for doing so.

This is just a petition and I don't think we need to worry - my husband has signed after having this very conversation of can it be perceived negatively? No is the answer.

It's the equivalent of sitting at the back of the class waiting with your hand up for the teacher to ask what you'd like to say.

The activists are the ones in the wrong and misrepresenting us .

my 13 year old signed petition- she is on the ball with this from the side of receiving the gender pressure to conform to a stereotype or you are in the wrong body.
I wonder if people like LW know how this is playing out for young people. Do they realise that this isn't just a game of playing at identity politics? This is playing with real lives, the lives of young people who don't have our resilience and understanding of what is at stake.

I wonder who thought up this fantastic way of taking the vote away from adult human females in the UK? It can't be reversed openly but find an issue they will be against and get all parties stick together on it Viola they have no one to vote for

I think we can safely say Leanne knows nothing - she is busy with her beehive hairdo or something , fuck knows what she is doing when she should be researching issues.

Practicing being a politician in the mirror maybe?

Btw my hair isn't too shabby either, buf i I can see bigger picture on potential outcomes from saying stupid things.

Taking care of one's hair clearly does not mean you're a vacant robot - just in some cases....

My daughter (12) told me a couple of days ago that "gender is how you feel inside". School had told her

I asked her what gender she feels like inside and she just looked at me. So I asked if she understood the question or how to answer it. She said "not really".

So we talked about gender stereotypes and how you might be able to tell A Girl and she nodded to some and turned her nose up at others.

Then we talked about how you might be able to tell A Boy. She laughed and agreed with some of the things - loud; have smelly toilets at school; have short hair (although she objected to that as some of her male friends/brother have long hair) and then I went on to describe other 'boy' things and she just said really quietly "but I like some of those things..."

Oh. Yes of course you do. Are you a boy? (No) So are those really 'boy' things then? (No)

And then we thought of her friends and the ways in which they do/don't fit the stereotypes (spoiler: most of them don't...)

And then she signed the petition.

I did have to steer her away from going to school and re educating everyone though. Which bothers me, but I can't afford for her to get into trouble at achool.

Sir, my daughter also asked if we could move the country.

She asked what self I D would mean and I just explained really calmly (I don't want to scare her!) and she said "but that means evil men could go into the girls toilets and just say they are girls" and "but boys are stronger than girls. Won't they win all the sports?" and "why can't boys and girls just like what they like?"

If anyone can I'D as female then what will happen to the female only swimming sessions which ( where I used to live) where largely used by certain ethnic /religious minorities who would not use the facility when males were around? I envisage all sorts of tying up in knots to sort that out.