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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Leanne Wood has responded to her tweet

192 replies

Callmejudith · 15/03/2018 18:24

www.leannerhondda.wales/inclusive_feminism

Sigh

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Janie143 · 16/03/2018 10:30

Mmmm I wonder what will happen when no adult human females go in any of the sex segregated places/activities anymore and only TIMs are there Where will they get their "validation" from then?

NoSquirrels · 16/03/2018 10:45

@TheGoldenBough
I went on to describe other 'boy' things and she just said really quietly "but I like some of those things..."

This makes me so sad. And mad! I have been telling my DCs since tiny tiny people that there are no "boy" or "girl" things - there are just Things That People Like.

Their generation is really being sold a line here in the name of "progress". I don't remember gender being at all important when I was a kid. Either for or against.

HipposGoBerserk · 16/03/2018 10:45

Lois, I don't know what will happen to single sex swimming sessions but I do know some people won't care if they go. Lots of things have brought me here, small incident on small incident. One of them was a conversation with a female millennial colleague. She was expressing her dislike for the single sex ( she used the word gender) swimming and gym sessions at her local gym. Her feelings were they were for people who really needed to understand that men and women are equal. I think she meant "the same". The suggestion was that it's regressive to separate humans.

Other people I spoke to have no truck with the separation by sec for religious reasons. The argument is we are not a Muslim (for example, as that's the main example in the area I know ) country so shouldn't "pander "to views seem as sexist and "not British".

I'm sorry, all that sounds awful but I'm just collating views, not expressing my own.

LoislovesStewie · 16/03/2018 10:49

I think I just find it amusing that the politicians are keen to be inclusive to certain ethnic minorities and will find themselves wondering how to appease everyone. I suspect that I just like to annoy some politicians!

HipposGoBerserk · 16/03/2018 10:55

Oh yes, I see what you mean.

UpstartCrow · 16/03/2018 10:56

HipposGoBerserk the longer this goes on, the more convinced I am that many people support it because they are closet racists.

Cliques · 16/03/2018 10:59

I am devastated. Plaid voter in a marginal constituency where I want to support my plaid MP. I cannot vote plaid anymore.

I actually feel really bereft. I have always loved their left wing credentials. The erasure of women is a right wing movement, and I never thought they would fall for it.

CAAKE · 16/03/2018 11:15

Practicing being a politician in the mirror maybe?

HA!

TheGoldenBough · 16/03/2018 11:16

This makes me so sad. And mad! I have been telling my DCs since tiny tiny people that there are no "boy" or "girl" things - there are just Things That People Like.

Same here.

What you like is determined by what interests you not by your genitals.

HipposGoBerserk · 16/03/2018 11:19

Yes upstart it seems there are so many agendas. My head is spinning.

It's not a great view from the peak but thanks for helping me up here anyway!

Kneedeepinunicorns · 16/03/2018 11:51

If anyone can I'D as female then what will happen to the female only swimming sessions which ( where I used to live) where largely used by certain ethnic /religious minorities who would not use the facility when males were around?

Lois that one has been covered by the TIM 'womens officer' for CLP Rochester. Apparently those women must be educated out of their ethnicity and faith based beliefs. Which basically means - as all this will in reality mean - many women, particularly vulnerable women and older women - will simply stop accessing those spaces and experience a great loss of freedom and liberation.

But apparently that's ok because they're nasty and stupid and old and should just die anyway.

Seriously. This is the society our ruddy politicians believe in.

The thought of teenaged university TIMs lecturing ethnic/religious minority women about identity politics is almost as awful as the Deptford group having their middle class privileged TRA university students taking over meetings for their homeless/drug and alcohol dependent/fleeing violence people to 'educate' them about the correct language, and that those students with their adopted labels are so much more oppressed and in need than the service users, including the few transsexual service users who have been known to the group and cared for for years. Utterly oblivious to their own extreme arrogance and self centredness, while shouting loudly how very inclusive, 'intersectional' and socialist they are.

Nothing is less intersectional, inclusive or tolerant than the TRA movement.

Kneedeepinunicorns · 16/03/2018 11:57

To underline the key bits of that if you read this thread Ms Wood:

The movement you are supporting is deeply and extremely:

Homophobic
Racist
Sexist

It disproportionately affects:

people from situations of deprivation and poverty whose services are being appropriated
women from ethnic cultures and faiths
women at risk of sexual harassment, abuse and assault
children

It 'trumps' safeguarding practice in all areas which WILL end with serious case reviews taking place: the victims WILL BE women and children.

It promotes and supports mens sexual rights while removing women's consent, boundaries and right to privacy and bodily autonomy in public places.

And you are OK with that. While holding a public office.

Ellenripleysalienbaby · 16/03/2018 12:06

This whole 'biology is an outdated social construct thing' is just such BULLSHIT.

If Munroe Bergdorf (for example) had sex with her 'lesbian' partner and they wanted to ensure that a baby was not conceived, would they or would they not have to use contraception? And why? And how is it different to most lesbian couples who do not have to consider contraception if they want to avoid pregnancy?

Conversely, does Paris Lees need to worry about getting pregnant if they have sex with a man? Why not?

It seems like questions like this would blow Leanne Wood's tiny mind. It's not really what we want from people running our country is it?

KochabRising · 16/03/2018 12:32

Maybe we can all identify as the cabinet and sort things out? I’ll take the science minister post.

Anyone fancy identifying as PM?

You can’t tell me I’m wrong because that’s imaginarypolitivianaphobic and you’re a huge bigot

Now vote for me

LangCleg · 16/03/2018 12:34

I swear, the entire liberal left establishment in this country is actively campaigning for a right wing backlash.

BeyondDeadlySiren · 16/03/2018 12:46

I honestly don’t understand why any woman with a brain in her head, regardless of scientific background, regardless of their view on feminism (ie even those in the camp of “feminism has gone too far” etc) can think that biology is irrelevant.

Did they completely fail to notice their periods, pregnancy and healthcare situations?! Confused

Haidees · 16/03/2018 12:53

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Mayday01 · 16/03/2018 13:03

I'm still 😂 at 'outdated ideas of biology'.
I can't believe she's put that out to the public, I really can't.

whoputthecatout · 16/03/2018 13:09

I've watched her a number of times on QT and she never struck me as the sharpest knife in the box.

TittyGolightly · 16/03/2018 13:34

She’s as thick as pig shit.

womanformallyknownaswoman · 16/03/2018 13:39

Unfortunately many of the parliamentary reps I've met at unimpressive to say the least and not bright nor critical thinkers. They have no idea re tech for example - most are not fit for purpose in this day and age

Mouthtrousersafrocknowandthen · 16/03/2018 13:54

A feminism that understands that gender is a complex and deeply personal thing, and is about so much more than outdated ideas of biology.

What the fuck is that type of feminism then?

I realise my biology is getting on in years but is still in date. There is no use by date. Is she finding her biology a bit out of date? Perhaps we all should have some top surgery and take some hormones! Update your biology women, if you want to be a proper feminist.

What a fucking stupid thing to say. Politicians. the bar is pretty low huh?

Mouthtrousersafrocknowandthen · 16/03/2018 14:01

@LangCleg

I spent much of last year trying to understand what the Trump election commentators meant when they said it was a backlash against identity politics. When Steve Bannon said just throw this stuff out there and let the left eat itself after Trump stopped reassignment surgery funding in the military.

I understand now.

ChristianPOV · 16/03/2018 14:10

Maybe an updated Liar, liar video - Like the one doing the rounds during the election - should be made about Leanne and the other gaslighters.

KochabRising · 16/03/2018 14:11

I said this when brexit happened - there is a huge backlash against this kind of extreme left viewpoint. I believe it helped the brexit campaign and I believe it helped trump get in as well.

There is a sore need for a sensible, moderate political stance just now - frankly I’m no longer that bothered if it has a slight left or right stance. Because the alternative is that the extreme left descends into this totalitarian maccarthy ite horror and the extreme right/populist parties fill the gap.

We are seeing it all over Europe and it’s already happened in the USA. It’s a massive swing away from the generally sensible, slowly progressive politics we’ve had the last twenty years and it’s very worrying.

Who does it serve? A small elite. I don’t know if there’s an agenda under it all or if certain groups are just making everything they cannout of it but it’s not going to end well. We are going down a very dangerous road.

Dh laughed at me last year when I said that this was all part of a bigger picture and there would be war in Europe within ten years. I stand by that. Austerity, inequality, population rise, populism, and non linear black swan political events. It’s not good.

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