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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
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gussyfinknottle · 07/03/2018 10:46

If it was any other group it would be called appropriation and the appropriater would be told to stop bossing that group around and imposing their situation on the group. They may also be told to fuck off.
Not when someone starts telling women what to do, it seems.

rememberthetime · 07/03/2018 10:47

to what extent has this mass exodus been communicated to the media - do they know what is planned for tomorrow? Will it be covered?

I wish I was a labour member so I could leave too. I've always floated politically - but I am pretty close to floating away completely.

SnibbleAgain · 07/03/2018 10:58

Oh yes of course, obviously they'll do it tomorrow.

Should have realsied, they are just trolling women at this point for a laugh.

woman11017 · 07/03/2018 13:30

#labourlosingwomen has to be affecting their polling; dropping away.

Labour has failed women.
RedToothBrush · 07/03/2018 14:13

Woman I thought that Lord Ashcroft's most recent poll was interesting. It should be a wake up call for the Labour leadership, but it won't be.

Ashcroft is a Tory. He is LOOKING for things that the Conservatives can focus on and capitalise on. So although you should take his polls with a pinch of salt, you should also be aware of why there is also a need for him to not be miles out too.

He asked the question, do you know who Momentum are to 2017 Labour and 2017 Conservative voters. He split them into whether each of these voters were in conservative run councils and labour run councils to make four groups in total. A sizeable number of voters didn't know who Momentum were, but a majority did to varying degrees.

He then went on to ask a second question to all those who did know who Momentum were; whether they thought that Momentum were a force for good or a force for ill. This is where the result is quite stark.

In Conservative run councils, 27% of voters thought Momentum were a force for ill. In Labour run councils 34% of voters thought Momentum were a force for ill. Yes a sizeable number thought they were a force for good, but sheer number who look on Momentum with a great deal of suspicion is significant.

That will be what is being picked up on YouGov's polling about the Labour vote being 'soft' and not as loyal as the Conservative vote. They have been consistently showing that 20% of women are not sure who they will vote for. They perhaps will lean more towards Labour, but there is no guarantee they will vote Labour or vote at all. There is a big question mark hanging there for a LOT of people. Not a small number.

Polling outside GE's isn't well understood. People look at the headlines and not the detail. They tend to be a lot less accurate because they don't push 'don't knows' to make a decision except for the final few polls - and getting this right is key to getting closest to the actual result. 20% of women voters being 'don't knows' and being discounted from the headline figures they are currently producing mean the polls are potentially WAY off the mark.

A lot of it will be related to other issues, but the trans activism is most definitely from the Momentum part of the party primarily and is very indicative of it, so what Ashcroft is showing really should set alarm bells ringing for Labour.

It shows an underlying fear of the direction Labour are taking. If Labour fail to address that, it WILL do them harm, because they can not rely on the vote.

This is why, it is absolutely right to do anything you can NOW, to make the point and make Labour listen, if you are labour leaning BEFORE we get anywhere near a GE. This isn't playing to Tory hands to do it now. Its saving Labour from its own naval gazing bullshit.

Labour has failed women.
RedToothBrush · 07/03/2018 14:20

sorry must clarify this para:

In Conservative run councils, 27% of voters of 2017 Labour voters thought Momentum were a force for ill. In Labour run councils 34% of of 2017 Labour voters thought Momentum were a force for ill. Yes a sizeable number thought they were a force for good, but sheer number who look on Momentum with a great deal of suspicion is significant.

Leviceptra01966 · 07/03/2018 14:56

I am a domestic violence survivor(12yrs) I support the struggle because of the following. I got out of an exceptionally violent relationship.Dad died Bipolar kicked in harder. Put into a unit to get better.Met a lovely guy who understood me in hospital.Hey love you.Move in now. 6 months in he said we were having a "special dinner" 6 foot 5 guy walked in with a dress on playing with himself "Hi,I'm Summer" (name changed) I thought Hey I'm left wing I should understand this.Within 2 weeks he tried to get me to be beaten with a bamboo cane by him and his friends because of my "privilege" and also told me he was getting a custom made chastity belt and that the only 2 keys should be hung round my two young girls neck. I ran as far away as I could.Don't let them into our spaces.It's a terrifying thought.

Leviceptra01966 · 07/03/2018 15:10

Hey if this post is in the wrong place tell me i'll move it. Makes me anxious just to have said it out loud

OvaHere · 07/03/2018 16:06

Sorry that happened to you Leviceptra01966 Flowers

If you search back a few pages we have a thread called Trans Widows where quite a few women post who have been in abusive relationships with a trans identifying man. You might find that helpful if you want to talk further.

SmurfOrTerf · 07/03/2018 16:44

Levice Flowers

woman11017 · 07/03/2018 17:04

Levice Flowers

@mayday4women
We've just spoken to The Mail about the mass resignation. Media are definitely interested. Labour can't just dismiss women forever.

TulipsInAJug · 07/03/2018 17:09

Good - hope the Mail and other news outlets report on #labourlosingwomen

mrsreynolds · 07/03/2018 17:17

I've made an appt with my (tory) MP at his next surgery in April
Any points you'd like me to make?

mrsreynolds · 07/03/2018 17:19

Oh and thanks for the #mayday4women info...I've emailed them

woman11017 · 08/03/2018 06:47

MrsR I'm not an expert on the GRA and Labour party's behaviour , but if you are on twitter Anne Ruzlo has a brilliant list, of all the rights and laws we lose if GRA goes through in its current form.

Others on these threads will be able to advise better.

My take is that the toxic storm of the loss of the ECHR and inevitable repeal of Equalities Act with the Repel Bill and brexit are going to decimate Women's ( And BME and Disabilities) rights.

If women are no longer a biological category in law, and the labour party is getting rid of women only short lists, we won't be represented, and we have even less chance of mitigating the crap.

The freedoms and rights that women who have lived on these islands from 1960s till now have had, will be lost.

YourVagesty · 08/03/2018 12:17

Sorry if this is a bit of a daft question but does anybody know whether we can find out the numbers of women cancelling their memberships today? I'd be interested to know if there's a mechanism for finding out.

Childrenofthestones · 08/03/2018 13:09

I don't know how true it is but I read a while back that there is a delay on the time from when somebody applies to cancel their membership to when the numbers come out .
It may be 3 or 6 months I'm not sure.
But I may be wrong it has been known. 🙂

lucydogz · 08/03/2018 13:16

I think Labour have decided against announcing it, and the focus is Dawn Butler announcing penalising firms with a gender pay gap (announced this morning).

ShotsFired · 08/03/2018 13:45

@lucydogz I think Labour have decided against announcing it, and the focus is Dawn Butler announcing penalising firms with a gender pay gap (announced this morning).

And how is dear Dawn ever going to know whether the GPG has ever changed when we won't know who is a woman or not if she has her way?

lucydogz · 08/03/2018 13:59

I don't think that thinking is Dawn's strong point, her job is to sit next to Corbyn in the Commons and nod vigorously when he talks

rememberthetime · 08/03/2018 14:03

is it a good sign they have delayed the announcement? It seems that someone at least is having a second thought...

It was deliberately goady to release this on Womens day, so I expect someone has decided not to make things even worse.

or possibly they just don't want to attract attention right now.

OvaHere · 08/03/2018 14:11

I think perhaps even they realised in a rare moment of insight that it might harm their cause.

Alternatively they are just enjoying dangling it as a threat whilst illegally enacting it anyway.

I'm not a legal or political bod but perhaps if it is officially made policy it draws more attention from the media and the opposition and makes them more subject to wider scrutiny.

As things stand now they are achieving their aim of attacking uppity women in their own party without most of the country being aware.

LizzieSiddal · 08/03/2018 14:46

Someone said upthread that this wasn’t going to be announced for weeks as it had to go in front of some committee or other.

Huffington Post were being a bit premature I think.

MeltingSnowAfterHeavyFall · 08/03/2018 14:51

They fed a story to HF and OJ, sat back and watched the reaction.

LangCleg · 08/03/2018 15:39

I don't think that thinking is Dawn's strong point

Neither do I. And what the Labour leadership all round don't seem to realise that even onlookers who don't give a shit about trans one way or the other can see this level of utter incompetence. If Dawn can't get to grips with a minor brief - I mean it's not the Treasury or the Foreign Office or the Home Office for heavens sakes - without it all looking like the Keystone Cops, voters NOTICE.