My elderly parents peak transed today

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I was having a lively debate with my parents (both in their 80s and incredibly with it and intelligent) and the subject of womens only safe spaces came up. I decided to tell them about the proposed issues involving TIMs.

And they peak transed.

So begins the spread of this information among their friends, and the ripples will spread.

My husband peaked in about 10 seconds.
My mother in law heard about it in church (bless) where the GRA was subject of a preach. I think they do lots of peaking but this one was accompanied by lots of head scratching.
My sister in law is a TA in a primary school and peaked at some training she did...along with most of the other staff.

Its not spreading hate. The self id stuff is just (dangerous) nonsense and most people see it for what it is.

Also pretty sure not all trans women regardless of genitals are sex criminals.

Not all men are sex criminals either, but they do commit 98% of sexual offences. Would you advocate for letting men into women's toilets, shelters, prisons, changeling rooms?

The evidence suggests trans women continue to commit violent crime at the same rate as men. 50% of trans women in prison are there for sexual offences. And most transwomen are sexually attracted to women, not to men.

Miranda Yardley explains autogynephilia

mirandayardley.com/en/what-autogynephilia-is-and-what-is-it-not-a-brief-note/

I peak trans-ed my Mum on Sunday and an active male Labour party member who was giving me grief about the issue and calling Mumsnet a bunch of wittering women who no one took any notice of least of all Jeremy Corbyn.

I didn't get upset or angry and when he finally let me have my say he "got" it.

Mumsnet has turned me into a fearless woman.

Danielle Muscato is quite clearly part of the minority i mentioned who are spoiling it for those who genuinely are transitioning.

Not a minority.

The "genuinely transitioning" population is about 20% of males who identify as trans.

I agree that women should have rights obviously but trans people are women

So are trans men women then, or did they just disappear in a puff of smoke?

When virtue signalling goes wrong...

Oh, id be very happy to be called elderly at 80+ years.

I certainly wont identify as a youth.

I peaked an old friend last night. We hadn't spoken for a while, and he made some joking comment that clearly implied that I (because in his head I'm a raging lefty) would support the "transwomen are women" mantra. When I disagreed he was genuinely surprised. He didn't know much about it, but after ooh, at least five minutes of conversation he realised just how dangerous to women the TRA movement really is.

phoenix - do you think that this man is actually Filipino? After all, he feels deep down that he is Filipino (despite being a white man from Florida)

Good for you fishdogpancakes

I agree that women should have rights obviously but trans people are women and for the most part genuinely feel that way

In what sense are they women? A woman is an adult female. That's what the word woman means. Transwomen are a subset of men.

Kittens
I only just spotted the word "people" there myself despite replying to that exact sentence twice

It really is ALL about one type of trans isn't it. The born male type.

Fish that is a huge achievement. Labour activists are the worst.

I'd be overjoyed to make it to 80 and be called elderly. Probably won't happen because of my health.

I was just explaining the self ID to my teen ds, I have not made any suggestions.

His first thought was that rape/assault would increase as men would be accessing vulnerable women. This is a child's opinion and he gets there is a massive problem. Why aren't the adults?

I peaked my husband by telling him about the issues with men competing in women's Sport

Prior to peak: Transgender people are fine. What's the problem?
After peak: What. The. Fuck.

But transgender people are actually fine. People who are truly transgender are fine. This whole 'peak trans' thing is nasty and is creating mockery and hatred towards innocent trans people.
Its not actual trans people who are the problem, they need to be protected from the few sick individuals who will lie about being trans in order to abuse women not blamed.
In my eyes it really is not different to saying I am 'peak muslim' over a few terrorists claiming to be muslim. The vast majority of R
real Muslims are innocent and not terrorits and they shoudlnt be blamed for others actions. The vast majority of real Transgender people are not sex offenders and shouldnt be blamed for the actions of others.

Yeah, my DH peaked with sport too.

My DH was peaked by me pointing out that DD's water polo has large single sex changing rooms - no cubicles. He wouldnt even open the door to shout for her!

I need to speak to my DM & let her peak all the ' women ladies who lunch'

The vast majority of real Transgender people are not sex offenders and shouldnt be blamed for the actions of others

I agree (and I suspect most of the pp on here do too)

But how do we distinguish? And why should we completely get rid of a process which is not perfect but does try to at least make some distinction between the genuine trans and the fetishists? I'd be right behind lobbying to ensure that there is proper mental health support in all parts of the country and gender referral clinics were properly resourced so that patients didn't have to wait inordinate lengths of time for their initial appointment. But that's not what TRAs are asking for. They want to get rid of the process - and support - altogether.

A lot of quoted statistics here. Where are we getting all this from?

And no I wouldn't advocate letting men into changing rooms etc but a lot of women let them into their houses their lives etc. Should we not, just incase they're a sex criminal?

This makes me uncomfortable because youre tarring all transwomen with the same brush. You're basically telling people they should be wary of trans women. Scared that they're going to be raped in a changing room.

And no I wouldn't advocate letting men into changing rooms etc but a lot of women let them into their houses their lives etc.

You let any strange man that knocks on the door into your house on his say-so?

And no I wouldn't advocate letting men into changing rooms etc but a lot of women let them into their houses their lives etc

Stupid analogy. I don't let random men into my house. I choose who comes into it. I can't choose who enters a changing room or hospital ward with me.

And no I wouldn't advocate letting men into changing rooms etc Well, that is exactly what is being proposed by the changes to the GRA. In fact, men are already allowed into female changing rooms in Topshop & many other stores. So maybe you should inform yourself about what is going on, before dismissing the rest of us as bigots?

See you on the other side of the peak..

Upside Yes, the genuine transgender people are usually lovely gentle folk but this isn't about these, and many of them are very worried too.

The fear is in allowing Self ID to become law then anyone, and I mean anyone, can access all female only spaces from that date. They don't even have to pretend to be women do you see?

The rugby club drunken stag do in the ladies. That would be fun?

The disgruntled teen who's really cross with that girl who just turned him down, he can now follow her to continue the argument

The smelly old drunk who can't piss straight and does it all over the floor

These are the mild scenarios. No one is anti transgender, on the contrary but can you not see the dangers of allowing open access to all female spaces?

If you wouldn't advocate letting men into a changing room, why would you advocate letting a man into a changing room who has filled out a couple of forms beforehand in order to claim that he is now legally a woman?

Do you understand why we have sex seggregated spaces?