My elderly parents peak transed today

[MyBeloved]

I was having a lively debate with my parents (both in their 80s and incredibly with it and intelligent) and the subject of womens only safe spaces came up. I decided to tell them about the proposed issues involving TIMs.

And they peak transed.

So begins the spread of this information among their friends, and the ripples will spread.

My elderly grandmother peak transed over Christmas. She was absolutely appalled that she may be expected to change in a shop changing room with a fully intact male. She said she wouldn't stand for it and would tell him exactly why. I wouldn't put it past her as she is a very formidable woman.

Your happy to exclude genuine transwomen to keep out non genuine ones. Ok I can see why but how is that fair. Do they not deserve rights?

Somebody else said this on another thread but it's worth saying again. There's no such thing as a transwoman. They are just men.

But out of interest, what rights do you think these people should have, that they dont?

“It’s not the real transwomen that are the problem”

Why not? They can still be hulking males in our communal changing rooms/showers and competing in our sports. Real TW still rape and murder etc. Those that really pass will use what facilities they want to. Many who look male but act respectfully and look as though they are trying will use loos snd eomen will mostly be polite and kind and not want to confront.

I just don’t understand the need to say “it’s not real TW - and Muscatto is a “real TW.”

Phoenix, there are a few old school transsexuals on the trans threads. They understand fully that the new wave of transactivists are actually damaging to their own safety. Whereas ye transsexuals of olde had to jump through the GIC hoops, the proposals for self-ID will mean there are no checks and balances in place. None. Zero. Nada.

People are campaigning to stop the headlong rush towards self-ID. It isn't hatred for trans people.

I know a good few transsexuals. Many have been living 'as women' for many years. They have been getting on quietly, not causing a threat to women. The new wave (of which I have been subject to... some) are a completely different kettle of 'DIAF cis-scum' fish. When they come in to your workplace to lecture a room full of women on 'how to treat me like I demand to be treated' when frankly, our every policy exposes women to danger and privileges trans rights, and I either get paid to continue the gender-agenda or can't pay my mortgage, something somewhere is very wrong.

None of them will talk. The #nodebate thing is ridiculous. Penises are not female. If I put a student with a penis and a student without a penis in a shared bedroom, one is going to get a big old surprise, and the other is going to preen to fuck because he got his own way, safe in the knowledge that the female student is a bigot and a transphobe.

I'm a girl guide leader. Thankfully we have a vast array of teenage transmen in our small town, and as yet, no teen Jazz Jennings. But if my son decides tomorrow he wants to join, and decides he's a girl, come to camp and sleep next to the other 15 year olds honey, you are whatever you say you are.

The process to get a GRC was so long because it was designed to show commitment and intent. If you remove the real life test and certification process before allowing transwomen into sex segregated spaces, there is literally no point in having sex segregated spaces. Why would you bother?

Either some spaces are required to be sex specific, or they are not. Gender specific segregation is utterly utterly pointless. No woman is afraid of a dress or a pair of hair straighteners, ffs, they don't want to be close quarters with penises when naked, ill, asleep, or vulnerable. And they don't want to compete against the natural testosterone, size and lever advantage in sports.

I don't really think that's too much to ask, is it?

Jeez.

The 'not all men' argument doesn't work. My all teachers, nursery staff, HCPs etc are paedophiles - but we still do background checks.

Rapists, murderers, violent arseholes don't advertise who they are. That's why we need laws.

Incidentally the argument used by gun ownership supporters in the us goes the same way. And it's kids getting hurt. Is that an acceptable compromise between people who need protecting and people who want their desires indulged?

Fuck those selfish fuckers and their egomania. And fuck anyone who says 'But what about THEIR feelings???'

Not all, not my! Epic typo

When you say people you mean men. I agree that women should have rights obviously but trans people are women and for the most part genuinely feel that way and will transition completely

Self ID, which requires nothing more than an assertion that one is transgendered to the opposite sex, as well as the absolute horror of what is being done to children is the material reality that shocks people awake to what the MRAs n the government are doing to women and children;s rights.

phoenixtherabbit

*"They cannot come at the expense of women's rights"

Well there has to be a compromise
somewhere no?*

I find this confusing. Are you meaning to say here that women should compromise their rights? Could you clarify this?

When you say "compromise," what exactly do you have in mind? Who has to compromise what?

Well no I can't because I haven't researched it... does that mean it hasn't or won't happen? No probably not.

I honestly would have felt the same way as you a few months back.

Peak-trans means peak-trans-ideology, not peak-trans people.

Please just spend a little while browsing through the threads in the feminist section. Have a read, keep an open mind. what's the worst that could happen?

So my friend is FtM. He transitioned, lived as a male for a time as required, had his breasts removed, hormones taken etc etc and a gender certificate (I think it's called?)
He lives as a male, but has female genitals due to the surgery to create a penis being tricky. Anyway he lives quietly, if you passed him in the street you would see him as an average bloke. Has relationships etc etc and he transitioned because he always felt wrong. I have NO issue with that whatsoever

What I do have an issue with is a man, who is say a sexual predator, putting women's clothes/wig/makeup on, declaring he is female and using that to enter female only spaces. Not on. Or saying he is female and doing smear tests or intimate examinations

What about care work? There are vulnerable people that specifically ask for female/male only carers. They might be unable to speak out

Phoenix, I get a sense you are picturing transgender people as fully medically transitioned transsexuals. You also say you haven't done the research; it's a very common error in understanding when you first hear about this stuff, so that makes me wonder too.

If you are angry that Travis or Danielle Muscato or Lily Madigan or Eddie Izzard might not be allowed in a woman's changing room or toilet, then you should also be angry that any man you know isn't allowed in there.

wakemeupbefore Tue 20-Feb-18 21:59:32
Is 'peak transing' all and sundty akin to Jehovas' Witnesses work?

No. It is akin to saying the JWs are entitled to their beliefs but passing laws that I have to share them is bad and wrong.
Can you mandate belief?
Can you codify into law the idea that some people can mind over matter themselves out of material reality and into the opposite sex, and must be treated accordingly?
It is like transubstantiation. A belief that no one actually believes.
Will you allow people to drug and mutilate children based on this belief that no one believes?
How will the law punish the women who refuse to submit to men?

I made sure I peak trans-ed all of the lovely ladies in my office. Didn’t take much effort.

It followed a form being circulated which could be completed voluntarily. Asked the question - which gender do you identify with?

Don’t expect to come into our loos pal!

Poster above said:

'Somebody else said this on another thread but it's worth saying again. There's no such thing as a transwoman. They are just men.'

That obviously means thet there are no trans-men either, they are just women who want to be men, right?

'which gender do you identify with' - Did you ask what they might be identifying as at that particular moment as one can't possibly be limited to choose only the meagre gender, one must be free to identify whatever one feels like!
Don't you go opressing people . How dare you to decide what one can or can not identify as????

A man is an adult human male. So, no, a trans man is not a man. They are a trans man.

It all depends on whether you believe in biology or in mind over matter.

You can “identify” as whatever you like. It doesn’t mean that you are that thing and that you get to demand that other people give up their rights and spaces based on your belief.

(Points at user name)

I'm lazy and uncooperative and I like naps and enjoy having my hair petted. Can I be a cat, if I truly identify as one? If so how am I operating a computer with no thumbs?

I frequently peak trans people. It isn't that hard. I'm very happy when I do. Because the transagenda is misogynistic bullshit.

A woman is an adult human woman. Not a man nor trans-man. Do you agree?
I don't need to 'identify' as anything as I know my sex.

Well there has to be a compromise somewhere no?

Can you tell me why you feel that it's women who should be the ones who make it? Very interesting.

I think I get it.

A trans woman is not a woman and should never be considered the same, but she is also not a man and should not be considered the same.

I still don't know what the fuck CIS is. (Apart from for tax purposes)

1. No such thing as a trans woman. 2. They are men.

1. No such thing as trans-man. 4.They are women.

Agreed?

One day, hopefully, you will all be 80 and terribly delighted to be called elderly especially if you are intelligent and with it.

I'm already more than halfway there, and I can't imagine giving a single solitary fuck by then.

Why can you not accept that some transwomen genuinely do want to be women and feel like a woman

Because of reality. The fact of it is they can feel however they like, but no-one, ever can change their sex. It is simply not possible.

This place is like a weird sci-fi time warp.... This and slow-news-media. As Homo Sapiens, we have 2 sexes. Everything else is wishful thinking.
I shall go now.