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My elderly parents peak transed today

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MyBeloved · 20/02/2018 18:33

I was having a lively debate with my parents (both in their 80s and incredibly with it and intelligent) and the subject of womens only safe spaces came up. I decided to tell them about the proposed issues involving TIMs.

And they peak transed.

So begins the spread of this information among their friends, and the ripples will spread.

OP posts:
Ereshkigal · 21/02/2018 13:01

I no more intend to mediate my political analysis for a passionate but wet-behind-the-ears student type than I had adult political analyses mediated for me when I was Ms Student Agitprop. I expect I did some good in those years and I expect I also spouted similar levels of ill-informed adolescent nonsense.

My feelings exactly. To the word. And was just coming back to post similar but you said everything better.

rowdywoman1 · 21/02/2018 13:03

The word that escaped me in my last post was 'assertive'!

We need to assertively rather than aggressively make our points.

Ereshkigal · 21/02/2018 13:04

And you can do that in a way you see fit. And so will I.

rowdywoman1 · 21/02/2018 13:07

Erishkigal
Apologies, I was not criticising you or your style of posting - I had in mind some of the more personal attacks on people that I have seen on here on other threads recently.

FWIW, I'm not sure why your posts were ones highlighted. I always find myself nodding in agreement when I read them (as I do LanceCleg's )

Ereshkigal · 21/02/2018 13:10

Thank you. I guess she really believes that it's self evident that they are women. I think a spell out of the echo chamber will do her good in the long run.

NaiceBiscuits · 21/02/2018 13:15

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Ereshkigal · 21/02/2018 13:23

But she's not posting. She's quoting my post as the post of a bigot. I'm sorry if I think her views are silly but I do. She didn't give me a right to reply.

Patodp · 21/02/2018 13:26

I've never heard of this person and wouldn't give her any headspace. A lot of people talk about lot of rubbish on the Internet.

Ereshkigal · 21/02/2018 13:28

But she's not posting. She's quoting my post as the post of a bigot. I'm sorry if I think her views are silly but I do. She didn't give me a right to reply.

rowdywoman1 · 21/02/2018 13:28

Naicebiscuits
Agreed - it's a process that you have to work through. People don't change when they're shouted at. They can be silenced but it won't change their opinions.
That's why the TG organisations put so much effort into schools - catch them while they're young, feed them false statistics about suicide, harmless drugs, eradicate scientific facts, establish the belief that a transgender woman is a real woman and that any opposition is hate speech and bingo! You've won over the younger generation.
It's only when the oxygen of publicity highlights what they are desperate to keep hidden, that the wheels start falling off. Self ID enabling sex offenders, autogynephiliacs demanding access to woman's spaces, TiMs demanding their rights to work as rape counsellors, nurses giving smear tests, bra fitters etc. Then the contradiction between people wanting to be kind versus wanting to be safe becomes apparent.
And that's when people start to get it.

Ereshkigal · 21/02/2018 13:28

Sorry crap reception Blush

Ereshkigal · 21/02/2018 13:34

I think sometimes it's so exasperating that it's hard to always be exemplary.

IfNot · 21/02/2018 13:36

Does anyone know why my post was deleted? Confused

Waydugo · 21/02/2018 13:38

Bit of food for thought here:
A friend works in the NHS carrying out procedures. From time to time they get prisoners in for this procedure. So she was asked to do this - no problem as they are always accompanied by guards.
Said prisoner turns up dressed as a woman handcuffed to both guards. Aggressively asks to be referred to with new name/persona. Again not a problem. Taken through for procedure which requires top half of clothing to be taken off except this person has decided to wear a body. He has to stay handcuffed to the prisoner guards given the danger he poses. So my friend is faced with having to reach round to undo his body. Guards intervene at this point and say she shouldn't do that but try to carry out procedure without having to remove the clothing which she could.
She googled his name after he'd gone and low and behold a long string of convictions for serious sex crimes. Luckily he's in a male prison at the moment but if certain people have their way then what way do you think that will go?

rowdywoman1 · 21/02/2018 13:38

There's that great phrase that nails it:
"explodes in a puff of feminist frustration"

TerfyTheCuntingTerf · 21/02/2018 13:39

Apologies, I was not criticising you or your style of posting

Nor was I, btw, although I made some comments about people here being angry (and scared too). I meant that people should bear that in mind when reading.

I wonder if we could start to collate a thread of evidence, links to studies etc, so we've got it all in one place? Could be useful for people planning to write/meet with their MPs, which I fully intend to do after attending the Woman's Place meeting.

NaiceBiscuits · 21/02/2018 13:40

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DodoPatrol · 21/02/2018 13:52

I suspect young Charlotte is at the same stage, in her nice progressive girls' school, as my son when at sixth form: 'can't see why feminism is needed', given that women already have all the rights they need, and most men are nice, and the girls are the meanies if anything...

Total lack of actual life experience beyond their own safe bubble. And wouldn't it be nice if we knew that their current safe, egalitarian experiences would continue lifelong?

DodoPatrol · 21/02/2018 13:57

Urgh, serious overuse of 'nice' in that post. Charlotte's blandly sunny view of life must be catching.

(A slight smirk here at her shock that 'surely this isn't how parents are meant to behave'. Guess what, sweetheart, adults have views that they don't always blurt out in front of the children.)

Ereshkigal · 21/02/2018 14:18

From the comments on Charlotte's blogpost:

Also can I point out that literally everyone on the planet is ‘non binary’. It is a non-word.
Nobody confirms exactly to gender stereotypes.

Well said, TruScum

Ereshkigal · 21/02/2018 14:21

lgbtqiap+

What does the P stand for?

athingthateveryoneneeds · 21/02/2018 14:31

I'm hoping it isn't peadophiliac.

DodoPatrol · 21/02/2018 14:33

I think it might be pansexual, i.e. prepared to have a go with even the most gender-confused of their contemporaries.

thebewilderness · 21/02/2018 14:40

Some say pansexual which is just another way of saying bisexual while others say it is pedophile. Given who is in charge of all LGB organizations these days I think the P is for predator.

CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 21/02/2018 14:49

Bless Charlotte, she seems very earnest. She has allowed comments too. I think she's at base camp at worst.

And like someone said when you think - 'would I mind my lovely gay bf Sam changing next to me?' it seems like a no brainer. Then you realise it's going to be that bald bloke who wanks into teenage girls' pants and the idea seems far less appealing...