This woman is all of us.

[CAAKE]

Lily Madigan speaking to a rapt audience at an Enfield North CLP meeting.

Photo is from this tweet -
twitter.com/enfieldnorthclp/status/964240546977013760

Circumgender 😂 Thanks for the link too, there's a quiz I could take. Apparently I don't hate women enough to be one.

I've never actually heard the pro trans arguments first hand because they invariably plop and run.

When I believe something you can't bloody stop me talking about why it's right and how I got to my position. I am mystified.

The whole photo is hilarious. Everyone looks unbelievably bored except the bloke with the handbag.

I thought the same. I actually laughed out loud looking at that poor “audience”.

Looks like a Y9 class on a Friday afternoon during double Physics.😂

Gamer, I believe childcare is still the biggest obstacle for women achieving. I wonder has the transwoman even given that a thought.

Even though transwomen have experience, fly on the wall so to speak, of how men talk about women when there are no women present, transwomen reach positions of power by bullying real women and do not care about sexual exploitation in all its various forms.

I 100% approve the trolly goodness of "circumgender". Drives TRAs up the wall.

Gamer doesn't seem massively keen/able to support any of their assertions. Quelle surprise.

RE Down With Cis, how exactly does he propose to go about this? I mean, us evil cissies are 99.9% of the population, and I don't have much faith in the ability of TRAs to keep a country running.

Don't worry Gamer MN is a safe space where facts are allowed to stand. It's OK to say them out loud, you won't be censored.

Transwomen are men

See it's easy. Try it. The facts will set you free.

Transgender women ARE women.

They are not.

I saw this photo on twitter last night, and it did make me laugh. Looks such a miserable meeting - why are they all sat at the edge like that?? I assume there's more people in the middle of the room - but it's looks most odd.

They can't discuss the whole trans argument rationally because logic, science and common sense would piss all over it, which is why they pushed the no debate/no platforming so strongly.

If anything is asked we get shouted down as Terfs to deflect from having to answer.
Like a child sticking their fingers in their ears and going na na na na, can't hear you.

I think instead of skeptical woman I'm actually old man playing around with his phone and not even trying to look interested.

[Transgender women ARE women.]

No, they are not. They have been socialised as men, and face none of the biological issues women face due to the biological sex they were born with, such as pregnancy, additional vulnerability due to physical size, menstruation... the list goes on. They're also far more prone to violence. (Unless you're actually talking about trans men, which is certainly possible since that line I've quoted is a bit ambiguous?)

[There is nothing wrong with a Transgender person running a group for women. There is nothing wrong with part of the alloted meeting addressing Transwomen issues.]

In theory, no, and I would have agreed absolutely with that statement a month or so back. But in practice, it's not working. NAMALT, obviously, but the men who aren't are generally the ones who are aware of the reasons women are at a disadvantage due their sex and so realise that pushing to be in charge of a group that's supposedly about women might be a bit iffy. They're aware and respectful of the fact that that issues that biological women face are often very different from the issues faced by men and trans women.

So the trans women who do push to be in charge (and the ones who tend to be more vocal) are very often the ones who have no problem talking over women, or shouting women down, or in demanding that the group shoult shift its priorities to be about trans issues (and funnily enough the trans issues that relate to trans women and not to trans men). Or that they should stop centreing meetings and marches on women's issues and biology, because that's trans-exclusionary.

Like a trans woman shouting Rose McGowan down when she was trying to talk about her experiences of sexual abuse because she hadn't done enough for transwomen. Or Monroe Bergdorf lecturing about centreing women's reproductive rights at a Women's March (www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3145727-Monroe-Bergdorf-on-the-Women-s-March#prettyPhoto/0/) or Vonny Bravo being accused of transphobia on Twitter when she was talking about the rape of an eight-month old baby. Women get shouted down; their issues get silenced.

And to illustrate this, can you please point to one thing that Lily Madigan has done for biological women? Just one tweet that actually focuses on biological women?

The audience look like they were asked to take a quick survey and are now trapped

Someone promised them cake and instead they got Lily.

Like a scientology meeting i ended up in once

I did one of those surveys once

I got a biscuit and £10

Its interesting that the reaction on this thread basically highlights why it is so important to address this attitude outside of *just the transgender community and raise awareness with women in general.

Why no raising awareness with men?

Because they'd tell you to do one if they were expected to roll over for TIMs in the way women are.

Oh and most women here have had their awareness raised which is how they came to peak trans in the first place.

Transwomen are men.

Transgender women ARE women.

They're not though. You know it. I know it. Everybody reading knows it.

Lily Madigan is an MRA TRA. Not welcome in my space. End of.

Thanks for the link, handy for finding GC women I don't yet follow on Twitter

I think it would be helpful if fewer gender critical posters answered, so we can't be accused of ganging up on the people OP is trying to talk to. It can be offputting for people who disagree when we all talk at once.

Sorry, wrong thread!

On a serious note - I think Lily Madigan's twitter account shows a very deep seated hatred of women - unless they're clucking about over him like protective mother hens, and validating him, that is.

It is quite clear from Madigan's own videos that Madigan hasn't the first idea on the reality of being born a woman, but has decided to put on "woman" himself - like a dress - after overhearing someone talking about transwomen in a library.

It is very disturbing that this person is Women's officer, and using this platform, not only to push a trans rights agenda, but to be against women. He wants to be "woman" - so he doesn't want us around - reminding him (by our very biological presence) that he's not.

He's a very troubled young man. I do actually feel sad for him (but then I remember Anne Ruzylo et al) Outside his circle of adoring Labour fans, he will not be accepted as a woman so readily. That's why TRAs have to shout and threaten so much - because they know it's not truth, and they know we know it's not truth.

'Transwomen are women' - no, that's just a mantra based on 'repeat it long enough and it'll sound like it has meaning'. Take a look at George Orwell - 'war is peace', 'freedom is slavery', 'we have always been at war with Eurasia'. Its an intentional political tactic, and its not one used by political groups who believe in things like freedom of thought. If you blindly buy into it because it sounds nice you're supporting political ideology that's very questionable. Whether you genuinely support it in its full political meaning or have been nudged into going along with it in an attempt to be a good/nice person is down to you.

A definition that includes Danielle Muscato and me but excludes Jeremy Corbyn.... there's only ever one answer:

A woman is anyone who identifies themselves as a woman.

How can anyone identify as a woman if there is truly no better definition of a woman? If that was true, no one could possibly know what a woman was to be able to identify as it. It only works if we admit to the unspoken dishonesty here. That we all know exactly what a woman is. It's a biological adult female, and 'identifying' means a biological male who has chosen to frame himself as a female.

Nothing wrong with that. Transwomen are transwomen and should be celebrated as transwomen. But they're not women. And we all - them included - know they are not. It's about all of us finding the line between a desire to be kind and supportive, and unintentionally supporting a dishonesty that is harmful.

Madigan claimed they were not involved in the purge list in spite of the fact that giving trans identified males more of a voice and purging transphobic women is the only thing he ever talks about. I do not think anyone believes him.

He was a founder member and an admin of the secret Labour Against Transphobia FB group so he is lying. Screenshots exist to prove this.