This woman is all of us.

[CAAKE]

Lily Madigan speaking to a rapt audience at an Enfield North CLP meeting.

Photo is from this tweet -
twitter.com/enfieldnorthclp/status/964240546977013760

*crosspost with Beyond

Tbh, rb67 he would consider being referred to as "this young man" as the most offensive attack of all!

Self identifying as autistic? As an identity?

Give me strength...

Golden I saw a social media comment regarding Jazz Jennings' discovery that due to puberty blockers/hormones they are now effectively chemically castrated and will never have a sex drive or sexual attraction.

The comment was 'so you're asexual. It's just another identity! '

Words fail at that point.

Yes there are two apparently separate issues here.

1. autistic people are more likely to be diagnosed as gender dysphoric. From my own asd perspective, my opinion is that this is due to a general feeling of not fitting in, and seeing strictly prescribed gender roles. = I don't fit it, I like x, I must be a girl

2. people who like to self define as "other" - be that some form of transgender, self defined disabled (with something small, say well controlled diabetes), self defined polysexual demiromantic asexual unicorn - like to "self define" as autistic too.
   They're not autistic, they're bandwagon jumpers.
   This is not denying the existence of group one btw.

‘Transmisogyny’ is that dreadful, covetous misogyny that transgender males like Willy Madagain so willingly show towards women. Because he hates women'.

Oh yes.

(I'm wondering about mis-spelling of name tho)

They think "oh, autistic people are Well I xyz too, I must be autistic." Bipolar is a common one too.

Is self defining the new way to avoid being looked at for somataform/Munchousens, FII/MHBP ?

It sure is easy to jump on a bandwagon and berate a young person. She should not identify as she does. She should not have the nerve to pretend she belongs. She should not be trusted. She should not be angry that there isn't representation of her type of woman. Well guess what? You're words stand no bearing at all on the matter because in the UK, we have the Gender Recognition Act 2004. Give it a good read, because it definitively states that you CAN change your gender! Now I don't know about you, but I consider Law and Politics to be pretty darn close to each other, and frankly it would be disgusting if the Labour party took the tone and attitude that a bunch of rather narrow minded people braying on a forum.

Now that we've established the law, lets consider her right to be a women's Officer. Being a woman encompasses much more that JUST a childhood as a girl. We all have varying experiences throughout our lives which relate to our families, communities, looks & intelligence. A woman who has spent her life as a prostitute, or a woman who has never worked with an office full of men, heavy women, thin women, women born a particular gender, or one that has come to terms with the reality that their gender and body do not match, no matter what you think of a person's journey to get here, we are collectively WOMEN. (Remember, the law agrees with this!) This particular young person being a woman's officer will be a woman for the rest of her life, and she deserves to participate and be represented.

We are so quick to stamp "otherness" and categorize "them" and "us". I've lived in two different countries. The country I reside in says I don't belong there because I wasn't born there. The Country I left says I don't belong there, because I left. Where does that leave me? The point is, stop telling other people what their experience is. You havent walked in her very young shoes. How about supporting another human being? What are you losing by her participation? Have you lost so much that you will stand up and run for women's officer yourself? Will you go to meetings and debate her? Or will you slam your keyboards with indignation and bigotry?

I hope that all of you naysayers have the profound experience of loving a person that feels they were born in the wrong body. You will likely reconsider your stance.

@NotTerfNorCis and BitFuckedOffNow Thank you!

I'm a few hours behind you guys, so I've got to catch up here (on pg2).

I'm astonished that this was published in the news and there still was no repercussions about the secret group. And it's still going? Did JC and the party have nothing to say? Misuse of party data seems a pretty huge deal and would cause a massive loss of trust, I would think.

That's interesting. So is the research about high percentage of trans people with autism - is that self identified autism or officially diagnosed?
The autism/ learning need aspect is covered in the pro trans literature that is sent to schools but not in enough depth, given the vulnerability of (all) young people and children particularly to something that could be seen as "exciting".

Being a woman encompasses much more that JUST a childhood as a girl.

It does. It is about much more than just having a vagina.
It’s about society making assumptions about you.
It’s about the gender pay gap.
It’s about having periods.
It’s about being, preventing or ending a pregnancy.
It’s about having men in white vans shouting at you.
It’s about being sexually assaulted.
When Lily has experienced all of these, as all women have, (all women have been sexually assaulted in some form, I’m yet to meet someone who hasn’t), then I’ll listen to her experience of womenhood.

For many women it’s also about giving birth and breastfeeding a baby.

I don't agree with some of the angrier posts here - but I accept that women are getting angry about the way they are being treated and it's not reasonable to expect them to go on goodnaturedly sucking up crap and being nice about it.

What am I losing by her participation?

As a trans officer, or a transwoman - nothing. That's great. I'll celebrate that gladly. Transwomen very welcome in my politics, and at this stage there should be All LGBT Shortlists and reserved positions to ensure that minority group have a voice.

As a woman's officer or a self identified woman? How long have you got. That is not a harmless agenda.

I mean no disrespect to the woman I circled in the picture. She's trying very hard to keep her p p p p poker face. Not sure I could do the same.

What am I losing by her participation?

You maybe not. But a woman who also went for the role lost the role.

and all the women who need a woman's officer, well lets just remind you that Lily/Liam runs an anti-woman facebook group.

And Labour - losing women as their woman's officer is not in any way engaging with actual women.

Who wins here? A man. Yay go Labour.

feels they were born in the wrong body

The law is an ass.

She should not be angry that there isn't representation of her type of woman.

Why isn’t she ‘angry’ that there isn’t representation of her type of ‘man’? Why isn’t the category of ‘man’ being expanded to include ‘her’?

What are you losing by her participation?

Sex-segregated safe spaces (prisons, refuges, participation in sport, AWSs) etc etc....

We are so quick to stamp "otherness" and categorize "them" and "us".

Funny that it's the trans like lily that want real women categorized as cis. They want us to be something 'other'

Gamer I suggest YOU give the GRA a good read and when you've done that you give the equality act a good read

GRA makes it possible to legally change sex after 2 years living as a woman + diagnosis of GD. Lily does not have a GRC and is therefore legally male. Lily has claimed to have a GRC but the timeline doesn't add up. Lily hasn't been living as a woman for long enough.

The EA says that 'women' are people of the female sex. That is actual women (old fashioned cunty sort) and transwomen with a GRC (whose legal sex is female). So not Lily. Lily is protected from discrimination under the EA because of the protected characteristic of 'gender reassignment', however Lily does not share the protected characteristic 'sex' with women.

The EA then has additional sex-based exceptions for single sex services, occupations etc. to be limited purely to old-fashioned cunty women and to exclude transwomen even where they have a GRC, as a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim. Labour could if they wanted use that exception for 'women's officer' posts but they have chosen not to. It's not clear whether it's legal for them to have a post of 'women's officer' advertised as open to women only and then accept applications from self-ID'd transwomen with no GRC. It's almost certainly not legal for them to have all women shortlists that are open to self-ID'd transwomen as they are currently doing. AWS are a specifically named exception in the EA and are only legal based on the protected characteristic of sex.

Madigan is very much the sort of student politician that has always been around: first and foremost an attention-seeker, who gets off on playing the victim and on bullying other people.
But this is also a young person who is being manipulated and used, probably by people with several different agendas - hard left Labour members who want to cause disruption within the party; broflakes who want to get rid of all those tiresome feminists who complain about mansplaining and want the men to make room for women; people with right-of-centre views who want to use the likes of Madigan to prove that identity politics is stupid and political correctness has Gone To Far...

I remember that 10 years ago, I thought the world was heading in a better and more progressive direction. I thought things could only get better and more tolerant.

Now it's 2018 and a teenage boy is telling me that I am not as much of a woman as he is. I will be sent death threats if I dare challenge this in any way. Okaaaaayyyy then.

Gamer

Thanks for calling us all a bunch of narrow minded people. Thanks for describing our conversations as braying. And lets not forget the disgusting tone and attitude.
Thank you for calling us naysayers and describing what we consider important as indignation and bigotry.

Ans most of all all thanks so much for listening to us with a mind so open your brains fell out.

This particular young person being a woman's officer will be a woman for the rest of her life, and she deserves to participate and be represented.

By all means. But thus far there’s very little evidence of her representing women. Trans rights seem to be her primary focus, and her main talking point. All well and good, but hardly appropriate for that paricular post surely?

You havent walked in her very young shoes. How about supporting another human being?

She hasn’t walked in my “very old” (woman’s) shoes. What’s she doing to support women (other than trans women)?

Is Liam really still living with his horribly abusive and transphobic family? Lol. I'd happily give to a crowdfunding for whatever the fuck they wanted, whether it was wine or Netflix subscriptions, gym, whatever! Imagine, he's using WiFi YOU have worked to pay for to tweet his hateful posts.