cis is an abusive term

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I don't want to be called a 'cis' nor referred to as 'cis' in any sort of patronising way. Not sure if I really understand but from the way it is bandied about it does not sound good.

I am a woman not a 'cis'

I just googled non-binary - aren't most of these days non-binary?

"Woman" includes cis women and trans women. Really don't get the issue.

What is MIT?

most of us* christ almighty I am shit at typing today.

but then I could turn around and say I find the amount of calories in pizza abusive, it's not actually abusive though, but I feel that way about it.

This is exactly why I do not get into a conversation with people about it. If I find the term abusive, then the recipient should respect that and move on.

Some people do not like the term 'Ladies'. If they say to me I don't like that term, I will respect that, apologise and never use it again. I would also admire them for speaking up.

I just googled non-binary - aren't most of these days non-binary?

Exactly! It's just called having a personality. I don't know anyone who fits rigidly to gender stereotypes which is why it seems weird to suggest that non-binary people are in the trans minority. It's all of us. And it means we're not 'cis'.

"Woman" includes cis women and trans women. Really don't get the issue.

No. Trans women are not women, they are men who have decided to live according to the external perception they have of what it is to be a woman.

Woman = adult human female = of the sex class that can produce ova and bear children.

No trans woman has ever been of the sex class that can produce ova and bear children. Because of they were they wouldn't be a transwoman, they would be a woman.

Elendon that's fair enough, would you then be okay with just using the term 'woman' if a transwoman said they find being called 'trans' or 'transwoman' offensive?

Woman" includes cis women and trans women.

Err no, actually woman = woman, trans woman = trans woman

Very different humans

"Woman" includes cis women and trans women. Really don't get the issue."

So why do we need even more labels such as "cis" then?

You haven’t actually given an answer WidowWadman.

Collida this is making a lot more sense now. I can absolutely see why people would find the whole 'cis' thing offensive. I thought it just meant biological but if it means we're okay with being a stereotypical woman then I guess no, we're not cis, we're people.

Do people really, truly believe that there are two types of women - male ones and female ones? And that there really isn't a need to have a words that means 'female human'.

Why do so many MIT try to imitate female biology?

What 'Collidascope' said. I am emphatically not OK with the gender expectations society places upon me. 'Cis ' implies that I am.

I'm a woman. Fin.

Woman includes cis women and trans women

No. Women includes women and trans men (who are GNC women). Man includes men and trans women (who are GNC men).

Human beings cannot change sex.

using the term 'woman' if a transwoman said they find being called 'trans' or 'transwoman' offensiv They are not women so but they are transwomen, which is a subset of me , so ‘women’ should be called women as females are WOMEN.

*susrt of MEN

PipGirl From your name, I assume that you are female. Therefore you are a woman (or girl).

TRAs, the Labour Party and the Guardian Newspaper use cis as a term to differentiate women from transwoman. TRAs like to devise new words and names, it is part of their game. And suckers, like Labour and journalists at the Guardian, fall for it.

To me, cis is on a par with the n-word. Both are used to cause offense.

We are female, girls, women. There is no need to add the prefix cis. We are women. End of.

Elendon that's fair enough, would you then be okay with just using the term 'woman' if a transwoman said they find being called 'trans' or 'transwoman' offensive?

No, because transwoman is the factual description of what they are. 'Woman' is not the factual description of what they are, unless we want to go and start changing dictionary definitions.

Yet another trans thread where the OP never returns.

Pip, that's why a lot of us have issues in general with the trans ideology -because it reinforces gender roles. I'm happy for a boy to wear makeup and dresses and to like playing with dolls. It's fine for boys to do that. Trans activists however would say he must be a girl because he likes 'girl stuff'.

Ffs! *subset of men

Cis is a chemical term means on the same side of.

The idea being that if your gender matches your sex you are on the same side of it.

But gender is just society's expectations of behaviour depending on sex. So stereotypes.

So if, as a woman, you don't conform to them, you're not cis.

And since society's expectations of women are to be compliant, subordinate, underpaid, available for sex, sexually harassed, then no thanks.

Society's expectation of men is to be powerful, a leader, rational, logical. So if, as a woman, you are any of those, you're not cis.

It's also a not so subtle move by TRAs to appropriate the word woman for men identifying as women, and give the words cis woman to actual women.

There is no way on earth I will ever be defined as 'not a man who identifies as a woman'.

would you then be okay with just using the term 'woman' if a transwoman said they find being called 'trans' or 'transwoman' offensive?

No. The other name for transwoman is man. Not woman. If a transwoman found trans or transwoman offensive I wouldn’t use it but I certainly wouldn’t use woman! Man is accurate. Certainly far closer to accurate than woman. But I suspect man would be unacceptable too.

What is a TRA? Also yes I am a woman, this is so much information to take in