cis is an abusive term

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I don't want to be called a 'cis' nor referred to as 'cis' in any sort of patronising way. Not sure if I really understand but from the way it is bandied about it does not sound good.

I am a woman not a 'cis'

i am a cis woman, my partner is a cis man, is that a slur? no it's factual

No, it isn't. There is no scientific basis for gender identity.

It's religious language and, for the gazillionth time, it is offensive and coercive to ask non-believers to accept it.

If you are a convert to this religion, use it about yourself. But don't you dare use it about me.

What we have learned is words can be changed correct?

And feminine means “of or denoting a gender of nouns and adjectives, conventionally regarded as female”

So I would say it’s feminine to be born with ovaries
Feminine to have xx chromosomes
And feminine to reject the term cis.

It is a shame that on the whole trans activists are more interested in eroding women’s rights than fighting for trans rights.
because they are 2 very distinct things.

Non binary is not used by people who reject gender.

It is used by people like Travis Alabanza, who is very obviously a man, but likes wearing dresses, and seems to think that labelling himself as 'non-binary' means he can use which ever sex changing room he feels like that day, even when he has been told that there are teenage girls changing in the space he is trying to access.

Or his friend Alok, who thinks that being 'non-binary' gives him carte blanche to say things like 'little girls are kinky' without anyone being able to question it because, trans.

i am a cis woman, my partner is a cis man, is that a slur? no it's factual

It's not really factual is it. Its a made up term to define you as 'not a man who identifies as a woman' and your partner as 'not a woman who identifies as a man'.

The factual term for the two of you would surely be 'woman and man'?

i am a cis woman, my partner is a cis man, is that a slur? no it's factual

Call yourself cis all you like. And your partner if he is fine with it. But assuming everyone else is ok with it, or even believes in gender, is silly. I would bet that near every person on earth is actually 'non-binary'. I don;t see many actionman types or barbie dolls in my regular life, do you? As those are the only ones who can be considered 'binary'..and even the total macho man types surely have some feminine interests.

Non binary is not used by people who reject gender.

If we accepted all the silly new terms then we would be. or 'agender' or 'gender queer'

I am a gender athiest. I do not believe it exists and think its just a bunch of socially imposed stereotypes.

As such defining me according to some 'gender' is akin to calling me a Christian when I don't believe in god. I am just a woman.

Infact given transwomen are women, I may define myself as a transwoman. Any reason I can't? I can bask in the glory and be told how brave I am and have people fawning over me no matter my behaviour. Could be quite fun.

"Non-binary is often used to self-identify by people who challenge social constructions of gender"

So? This makes no sense. To be non-binary one has to accept that there is a binary, that gender exists. It doesn't. There's no such thing as "binary" or "non-binary."

i am a cis woman, my partner is a cis man, is that a slur? no it's factual

It's not factual. It's a statement of faith. To describe a person as "cis" is to buy into the concept of gender as an innate essence rather than a social construct.

A quick question - if cis is the opposite of trans, and totally not meant to be offensive, even if I find it so, can I not just start using 'real' ie. I am a real woman, and that adult male human over there in a dress is a fake woman?

I mean, the words real and fake aren't slurs on their own - just like cis and trans, and they denote the same ideas (ie. one person is a woman who was born female, and one isn't)

I think most people would consider that a bit off, say I was being deliberately inflammatory, at which point I would say 'EXACTLY' that's how insulted I feel about the idea of using 'cis'

It’s just ridiculous I mean I imagine most people could be labelled something as ‘not a’ in most things.

But we don’t label meat eaters as non-vegetarians
Or atheists as non-Christians (trans-religious? Would that make Christians cis-religious)
Etc etc

TheGoal you should define yourself as a trans woman then you will get all the respect and rights bestowed onto men (by which I mean men who are born men, see how I don’t have to call them cis-men) that women are denied.

Maybe we all should do that.

A quick question - if cis is the opposite of trans, and totally not meant to be offensive, even if I find it so, can I not just start using 'real' ie. I am a real woman, and that adult male human over there in a dress is a fake woman?

I mean, the words real and fake aren't slurs on their own - just like cis and trans, and they denote the same ideas (ie. one person is a woman who was born female, and one isn't)

Great point!

An analogy would be that an atheist is someone who rejects God. When isn't. It's someone that doesn't agree in the concept of God, in the first place.

I'm an atheist. I don't reject God. There is no such thing as God, (to me).

thegoalistostayoutofthehole " Call yourself cis all you like. And your partner if he is fine with it. But assuming everyone else is ok with it, or even believes in gender, is silly. *"
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if you scroll up and see my previous post I say that I understand where a lot of people are coming from, I explained my understanding of what other people had said and how I don't believe that other people can't be offended by the word, just that I am not offended.

datun hahaha okay so me saying i am a cis woman, i.e I was born female and also identify as female means I believe I should be paid less, be aborted before you were born, if you live in China, happy to support FGM, provide sex on demand and do all the housework? That's disgusting. I can't identify as a woman and believe in women's rights then? What an odd thing to say

What does ‘identify as a woman’ mean to you then Lucy?

Usually it means buy into traditional female stereotypes including the fact that men are more important.

How do you define identifying as a women in terms of gender?

Sorry correct my above post.

‘Identify as a female’

What does that look like?

Datun, I think there clearly is such a thing as god, but god only exists as something that gets talked about (and talked to) as it's an idea. It is only ever realised conceptually (a lot of the time it's men in dresses trying the hardest!). I don't think you have to agree or not agree for it to be there as an idea.The same goes for transition. Dismembering is a physical act but it is done in the name of a conceptual change. Gender is a concept in dysphoria or erotica, a goal to attain or use. (by men in dresses!). It's still never a thing beyond an idea though.

Self ID has no basis in reality, even for dismembered people.
The human mind is interesting......

Bot?

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You're missing the point.

Gender is the way women are disadvanged. It makes society see them as 'lesser than'.

From being spoken over in a meeting - one end of the spectrum, to aborting girl foetuses because they are less important than boys.

Women get to be lesser than men, identified by their biology, and gender is the way it's done.

How else do you account for the 'lesser than' attitude? Are women really worth less because they have a different reproductive system?

I don't for a minute think you support the abortion of girl children.

But gender is what makes that happen.

Can you understand that?

It's the very basis of feminism.

Mouthandtrousersall

What I'm saying is you can't define me as an atheist on the basis of what I do, or don't, think about god.

I don't recognise it as anything other than a belief. That I don't subscribe to.

It's the same with non-binary. You cannot be defined as non-binary, without acknowledgement of the existence of the binary. Which is a belief system based on society's relentless reinforcement of what women, and men, should be like.

Because they're not talking about biological sex. They are talking about gender. As an inner essence.

I totally understand not wanting to be treated in accordance with society's expectations of men and women.

So tackle that. Don't label yourself in relation to it.

Totally agree with the comparisons with religion.

When I lived in a certain Muslim country, my visa read "Christian". Nobody asked me about putting that there, as in fact I am a dyed in the wool, vocal atheist, and I would never accept that label. But in that country's view of the world, if you weren't a Muslim, you must be a Christian, end of story.

It wasn't meant to be offensive as such, but it very much was meant to be othering. By happenstance or design, the inference and the meaning is "not one of us, further than that, who cares if it's accurate or not?".

Now what was it about the creation of a false binary where the demographic wielding the power decides that a huge swathe of the non powerful demographic is defined as "not like me" that made me think of this thread, I wonder

Not RT whole FT but wanted to applaud this:

"Do people really, truly believe that there are two types of women - male ones and female ones? And that there really isn't a need to have a words that means 'female human'."

I find cis so so offensive. I also find the ‘I’m a real woman’ mantra offensive. And I am so baffled by the amount of women who defend this lunacy.

I’ve found this thread, and all the others regarding TRA etc, so interesting and infuriating at the same time. But this is my first comment, because I’m scared 😂