cis is an abusive term

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I don't want to be called a 'cis' nor referred to as 'cis' in any sort of patronising way. Not sure if I really understand but from the way it is bandied about it does not sound good.

I am a woman not a 'cis'

MouldyVoldy

Don't be scared.

Although do start buying your alcohol at discount stores, and in bulk.

You're going to need it!

I’ve taken my first step of courage tonight! I’ve read many threads, and have had internal rage and haven’t resorted to the bottle yet, so hopefully I’ll be ok.

Welcome in, Mouldy. Rumours about how vile and humorless we are are greatly exaggerated

If someone really, truly, genuinely believes that CIS is actually a thing someone can be, I have a challenge.

For every term you know is disputed, keep substituting for YOUR clearer definition to see if the meaning stays the same as you intend it.

For example, I would say:
I am a
I am an
I am an
...and so on

So perhaps your version might be:
I am a
I am a
I am a
I am a
I am a

at which point I have to ask, why we are redefining people in reference to those who are one anatomical type, yet persist in claiming to identify with an anatomy they do not possess? Anyway,

since to be of the sex class that produce ova, and to correctly identify oneself as such, factually equates to "I'm biologically female and know it "...
The whole definition of ciswoman ends up as
"I'm female, I know it, and I'm not male"

which pretty much sums up my entire objection to being shoehorned into a category with male people who call themselves, erroneously, 'women' so that they can pretend we have something in common and we're all just sub types of women..

Oh gosh, I haven’t found anyone vile. Quite the opposite really. Mostly I’ve found those who post on these threads to be really quite hilarious and very intelligent. Which I am neither, so that probably explains my apprehension in posting 😂 but I’m being brave and joining in because besides my mum, I literally have no one to get my rage out at.

Welcome MouldyVoldy. Once you see reality you’ll never be able to accept the fantasy that is trans. ☕️🍷🥃

I too feel the difficult-to-express rage Mouldy. I am grateful to the people here who give it a logical and reasoned voice.

I'll just leave this here...

Hate speech definitely one to report EVERYTIME

LM = goady LF.

Pip, it's taken me far too long dipping in and out of this thread to catch up, but will you accept my apology for my rant aimed at you, earlier in the thread?

I hadn't RTFT which is always a BIG mistake but I've been so angry lately about this whole issue. I'm afraid I jumped on the keyboard - sorry Pip.

It really does reduce your brain to mush just following terminology and that's before you try and follow the TRA madness. Thankfully, there are calm, kind, knowledgeable and patient posters here on MN and they are truly inspiring.

Welcome to the rabbit hole Pip.

Non-binary: genderless or lacking** gender or gender neutral, this may be meant in the sense of being neither man or woman yet still having gender or being neutrally gendered.

Doesn't trans mean they are transitioning from one to the other?

I have decided to start reporting to Twitter as hate speech, if we all start doing it we may get some recognition.

One one of the GenderCritical Reddit threads today, someone linked to a page on this website. trannosphere.tumblr.com
On the header is this quote, which sums it up beautifully.

Women are not cis.
The implication that we are happy with and complicit in our own oppression is foul.

Sorry if this has been shared before. Finally delurking here after getting whiplash from peaking 47,000 times a day.

This was on Twitter. "I am a woman. Adult Human Female. You misgender me with "Cis". Call me a Biological Woman if you must; I do not identify as Cis."

I'm still a bit scared to come out as Gender Critical in RL. Except to DH. We have had some proper rows about it but he's under no illusions what I think. He's coming round, slowly. He backed down on the Cis issue, finally.

And YY to report Cis as hate speech. If misgendering & deadnaming trans people is hate, then so is referring to bio women & men as "cis".

"I'm still a bit scared to come out as Gender Critical in RL. Except to DH. We have had some proper rows about it but he's under no illusions what I think. He's coming round, slowly. He backed down on the Cis issue, finally."

I've haven't heard many men refer to themselves as cis, and certainly not in relation to the privilege they have over others. In what context does your dh call himself cis?

In answer to BigDeskBob's question - yes - he was calling himself a "cis" man, when we were discussing trans rights. Or rather, he did, until I pointed out that if trans women had the right to name themselves & identify into my gender group, it wasn't logical or reasonable that anyone but me should name myself. And that if calling a transman a woman / calling a tranwoman a man is misgendering & therefore hate, on that basis that it's using a word that they have rejected, then logically for anyone to call me or refer to me as "cis" is no less hateful. And he had no logical comeback. And then I said that I will happily refer to myself as a woman, or a biological woman (to differentiate myself from transwomen). But that I utterly reject "cis".

He's now started saying "bio". #SmallVictories.

Yep, smallvictories .

I suppose men are at the top of the pile,so more of a hierarchy underneath them makes little difference to them.

Sorry if this has been shared before. Finally delurking here after getting whiplash from peaking 47,000 times a day.

Brilliant.

I would stay away from biological woman, too.

It's woman.

Adult human female of or denoting the sex who can bear eggs.

The biology is implicit.

You can't belong to the sex who bear eggs without female biology.

(And the word 'denoting' takes care of all the swathes of fictitious women, that trans activists are so fond of invoking, who are all unaccountably born without uteruses, vaginas, etc.)

Don't get sucked into an unnecessary prefix. Even if it ends up sounding clunky and like you're making a constant point.

You are.

Pip404 No, you are not thick. I used to think as you do. I am "cis" I have heard it is derived from some Greek or Latin word which means "born as". It is non-offensive and if it makes someone else feel good, I don't really care. Except...why do they want to call us something else? We used to be women. Why the change? Because we were the default, the definition of "woman". They want to take that from us. Take our identity, and that seems pretty shady to me. I am not playing that game.

Vegeetas It is supposed to mean that they are transitioning from one to the other, but I am not sure that I want to recognize that as fact. Can one become a woman if one was never a girl? I suppose that culturally, they can become women, and I am prepared to call them by their chosen pronoun and I don't mind sharing the bathroom with them, but they will never be biological women and I do not want to accept them as legal women. Should their voices have weight in womens' issues? Who cares what they think about abortion? I think it is another case of females being told to be nice even when it is against their best interests.

3Crows 'Cis' does not mean "born as" it means 'on the same side as' and relates to physical location. It is a term that has been misappropriated by the trans community to apply to anyone who is not trans. It is used in molecular chemistry and geography and has no relationship with humanity.

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