cis is an abusive term

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I don't want to be called a 'cis' nor referred to as 'cis' in any sort of patronising way. Not sure if I really understand but from the way it is bandied about it does not sound good.

I am a woman not a 'cis'

I meant more in the trans community BigDeskBob. If I saw someone in the street who looked very much like a woman I'd be inclined to call them a woman regardless of what is in their pants?

I don't like the term cis, but I wouldn't like it to be banned here.

Better to challenge it when it pops up and not join in the general (and worrying) shutting down of debate and free speech that is rife online and irl at the moment.

'Cis' defines me by what I am not rather than what I am. That's why I don't like it. I am a woman, that's it.

It's not the same as straight. Straight doesn't mean 'not gay' it means 'heterosexual' - it's a descriptor for what you are.

The descriptor for what I am is 'woman'.

And that's before you start to look at how 'cis' is increasingly being used as an insult and spat at feminists as a term of abuse.

I've never seen anyone demand I call myself a transwoman

Are you a male who thinks they’re a woman?

I'm offended by the use of 'cis' to describe me. It mis-labels me because that is what it does. That ok for you, PiP?

I find the word deeply offensive.

Yes, let's not go banning it please, we are about free speech aren't we, and we know that what constitutes 'hate speech' varies widely depending on who you talk to

Instead, let's challenge it and explain why we don't like it.

Oops, I meant ciswoman not transwoman. All the terms are confusing the hell out of me.

The guideline to abuse: if someone finds it abusive, then it is abusive.

HTH.

thisusername I liked your explanation. I'm genuinely clueless and your explanation helped me understand why you'd find it offensive. Not interested in sarky/aggressive people on here it makes no sense, can't fight fire with fire and all that.

Cis is no more an abusive term than straight is. I really don't get what people find so offensive about a descriptor that simply means "not trans" and thus is really quite useful when discussing matters that involve trans and cis women.

So we don’t ban hate speech anymore on MN? We just challenge it? That includes racist and disablisy hate speech? We just explain why it’s not nice to say mean things?

Elendon but then I could turn around and say I find the amount of calories in pizza abusive, it's not actually abusive though, but I feel that way about it.

However, if I am being absolutely honest, if TRAs weren't trying to appropriate womanhood so aggressively, I probably wouldn't be that bothered about 'cis' as much.

Although if that were the case they probably wouldn't be 'cissing' us in the first place!

I really don't get what people find so offensive about a descriptor that simply means "not trans"

You’re goading and I’ve reported your post.

Pipgirl, the idea is that trans people reject the gender they were "assigned" at birth. The idea of cis is that we are women who identify with all the gender shit put on us -so our sex is in line with our gender. A lot of us resent that because actually we don't conform to the stereotypes of womanhood. We don't believe we should do the caring, look pretty, be paid less. Actually most people would probably be classed as non-binary according to trans ideology, it's just that most of us aren't attention-seeking enough to insist we need that label that makes us stand out.

I'm possibly the worst person to be on this thread, but it's been nice hearing other peoples points of view.
I'm very blase about life, if a man wants to be a woman and can afford the medicine to do it, meh, let him.
If I had to start calling myself a ciswoman so people knew I was biologically a female, meh.

Not much puts me up nor down.

What does cis mean? I've not heard this before

What wording would people use to politely correct somebody calling them 'cis?

I'm resolved to resist it but I wonder if I should prepare an answer so that I don't look like some kind of bigot (imagine the biggest 'woke' person you know having this conversation with you). Guaranteed if you just said 'no i'm a woman, not a cis-woman', they'd try to educate you that you are cis and then you'd have to explain why you are not.

Giving the descriptor 'bigot' to someone who questions the argument is denial of freedom of speech, same with #nodebate.

Cis is no more an abusive term than straight is. I really don't get what people find so offensive about a descriptor that simply means "not trans" and thus is really quite useful when discussing matters that involve trans and cis women.

Straight doesn't mean 'not gay' it means 'heterosexual' - it describes what you are. 'Cis' defines women people by what they are not.

Why should I have to described as cis, WidowWadman? Give me a solid reason why WOMAN is not enough, yet trans people are screaming I am A WOMAN. Why do they get to take our descriptor for themselves and change ours?

"Cis" doesn't just mean not trans. It also means "you are perfectly comfortable with the gender roles of your sex" and implies the reality of an inherent "gender identity" that most women do not have.

I find it offensive, but don't think it should be banned here but challenged.

Collida I've never seen much on that, before I read this thread I genuinely thought cis just meant biological.

But there are so few issues that do involve women and MIT that don't involve the rest of the male population.

For those issues that do, there is no need to rename women, we can just talk about women and MIT.