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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Can you all just lay off trans people

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cjferg · 10/02/2018 17:11

There is a difference between sex and gender. Some people's align, other people's don't. Some people are biologically female, and their gender doesn't match that and vies versa. Some people don't have a gender. Why do you care so much?

One of my best friends in school was biologically a female. When he 'came out' to me as trans and explained how he had never felt comfortable in his body all I thought (and anyone who knew him) was that I wasn't surprised and that it made a lot of sense and we all got on with our lives. This was about age 17 and he said he had known this since he was a kid (not saying that any kid who says they want to should be able to willy nilly block their hormones, etc, btw)
It wasn't just about 'presenting as a male'. He was actually a male in a female body.
Yes, when he started presenting as male he felt a lot better. I remember he didn't want to go to our prom because of all the dressing up, etc. until we suggested he wear a tux, and it was amazing to see him so comfortable.
But still he hated having tits and having to wear a binder (can be done safely if you get a proper binder and don't just use bandages or w/e so don't even start)
It wasn't enough to just stuff the front of the trousers.
I repeat, he was a man trapped in a woman's body. Not just a cross dressing woman, not just in an experimental phase.

I have another friend who is biologically a female but they don't have a gender. They are known as 'they' not 'he'or 'she' and knowing them you would in no way think that they are either male or female, again not just about looking a certain way.

I also see a lot of people on here ranting about trans people and they literally only care about transwomen. Genuinely, what has happend to you that you feel so threatened at the thought of someone with a penis being the same gender as you?

Stop ranting about how men are going to use it as an excuse to perv on your kid in a changing room. I'd bet quite a lot that more women will perv on your kid in a changing room than men pretending to be trans will.

Gender is evolving all the time there are no definitive rules to being a man or a woman.

For every thing that you think being a woman is, there will be a woman who disagrees with you.
You say that being a woman means having a uterus - does that make people who've had theirs removed for medical reasons not women?

If being a woman means the ability to have babies then does that mean infertile women aren't women?

If you think being a man is the ability to grow facial hair does that mean that men who can't aren't men?

I read about a woman who had poly cystic ovaries and had a luxurious, thick beard and moustache as a result. Does that mean she is a man or less of a woman? Or should she have continued to try and shave and wax it off and be ashamed of it rather than accept herself the way she was and rock the beard?

Seriously, we've come a long way from being a woman meaning you're your husband's property and having to squirt out babies and clean your whole life. Why are you so determined to go backwards?

Stop using the teeny possibility of a man pretending to be trans to invade women's spaces as a vehicle for your hatred and open your mind enough to at least try and understand the issue, because it might be your kid. It might be your dad. It might be your bff 4eva. If that were the case would you ostracise them from your life and declare them a fraud, or have a little empathy and try and support them through something potentially life changing.

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MillyTantTerf · 12/02/2018 18:54

Can't wait for the Sun/Mirror/Sport ect readership's reaction when the non-ciswomen start appearing on the old page 3 sites ("cos we is more girly than you ugly cisses")

I really want to be sitting somewhere nearby when it happens!

hipsterfun · 12/02/2018 18:55

Perhaps women should take the concept further and insist on 3 good references to boot

And a six-month probationary period.

Ostrichnomore · 12/02/2018 18:56

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Ereshkigal · 12/02/2018 21:30

There's a young woman on the GC subreddit who was beaten so badly she was in hospital for a while because she said no to sex with a trans woman. He followed her into a bathroom, tried to rape her, and beat the shit out of her in the process. But no worries, eh, I'm sure that would never happen and we're all making a fuss about nothing.

There was a poster here who had a lesbian friend who was punched for much the sane reason I think.

Ereshkigal · 12/02/2018 21:30

Same not sane!

Ereshkigal · 12/02/2018 21:52

The whole "my gender is fern and I'm a demisexual bigender half-elf" stuff is all fun and games until you realize that it's being used to sneak pedophilia in while nobody's paying attention.

https://twitter.com/neverfallingfo1/status/962700517502865409

Terftastic · 12/02/2018 22:01

I said right at the beginning of this, that the TRA movement is just another way for paedophiles to sneak in the side door, and manage what they tried and failed to do in the 70s. Labour were quite swayed by that, at the time, too.

AngryAttackKittens · 12/02/2018 22:12

Puck? Really? Someone calls themselves this in a professional context?

"Genderqueer elf" That's nice, dear, off you pop to Rivendell and the rest of us will get on with finding an actual counselor for whatever poor kid just dodged a bullet in not seeing you.

Mouthandtrousersall · 17/02/2018 13:01

Can't wait for the Sun/Mirror/Sport ect readership's reaction when the non-ciswomen start appearing on the old page 3 sites ("cos we is more girly than you ugly cisses")

This needs to start now, they should be the Presidents Club waitresses, the F1 Grid Girls, hold the numbers in Boxing. Get on with it penis women, we don't mind one bit.

OldmanOfTheWeb · 17/02/2018 13:09

I've seen fewer strawmen at a Wizard of Oz audition.

GnotherGnu · 17/02/2018 13:15

Fixed that for you. Shall we start a list of things men (i.e someone with penis) have done to us?

Seriously? You are going to condemn every person who dares to possess a penis on the basis of what some have done? Try swapping "a penis" for "German nationality" and see how that looks.

CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 17/02/2018 13:31

If you were going to try the old chestnut of equating women pointing out make violence with racism why oh why would you go with 'Germany nationality'? Are they generally a target group for hate crime?

Agerbilatemycardigan · 17/02/2018 13:32

Just in case anyone is under the illusion that TRAs are the ones that are being oppressed, see below the demands that the Edinburgh Action for Trans Health drafted last year. These are the ones that were protesting outside the Woman's Place talk the other day.

Can you all just lay off trans people
Can you all just lay off trans people
Can you all just lay off trans people
Agerbilatemycardigan · 17/02/2018 13:32

And another one..

Can you all just lay off trans people
InfiniteSheldon · 17/02/2018 13:35

Fallon Fox broke a woman's jaw, Hannah Mouncey broke a woman's leg both in the name of 'fairness' so no actually we can't "lay off transpeople"

Agerbilatemycardigan · 17/02/2018 13:35

Oops! Here it is...

Can you all just lay off trans people
BitFuckedOffNow · 17/02/2018 13:46

Seriously? You are going to condemn every person who dares to possess a penis on the basis of what some have done? Try swapping "a penis" for "German nationality" and see how that looks.

Ah, the good old NAMALT argument. yawn No, not all men are like that (which should go without saying, but clearly it can't when people will jump on any chance to derail a discussion no matter how lacking in logic and critical thinking), but enough of them are like that (98% of sexual offenses are committed by men) to make certain single-sex facilities (prisons, toilets) a necessity to protect the safety and privacy of women and girls. Or are you suggesting we should remove all forms of segregation completely and allow a free-for-all? And, hey, lets get rid of any other form of safeguarding too, while we're at it? After all, not all adults are paedophiles, so why are we bothering with all that DBS bullshit for adults working with children?

Are you really unable to think of a single instance why a woman might not want to be around a man with a fully intact penis who is very likely to still be sexually attracted to women (whether he's trans or not) in a situation where she's vulnerable or in a state of undress?

BitFuckedOffNow · 17/02/2018 13:54

gerbil, Just seem one of their demands is the 'immediate release and pardon for all trans prisoners'? WTAF? Are they including Ian 'Lian' Huntley in that particular demand, I wonder?

BitFuckedOffNow · 17/02/2018 13:56

(presumably they're only talking about trans prisoners in Scotland, thinking about it, but still, WTF?)

Agerbilatemycardigan · 17/02/2018 13:59

It's insanity isn't it? Even if they're just referring to Scotland, or even just Edinburgh, it gives a good insight into the workings of their fevered minds as a group.

Sadly, quite a few people are drinking the transaid.

Onlynever · 17/02/2018 13:59

Great, so they "demand" unlimited free immigration to anyone who self-identifies as gay, trans, etc etc. Bet those enlightened people who voted for Brexit will love that idea.

Onlynever · 17/02/2018 14:03

Yes, there should be a special new law passed in Scotland, which means that anyone who self-identifies as trans is allowed to commit any criminal offence with no repercussions.
And the NHS should be required to give anyone who self-identifies as trans top priority for any kind of medication and treatment they "demand". Being trans means they are very very important and need hormone treatment to help them grow breasts in a way that cancer patients don't need operations.

Battleax · 17/02/2018 14:03

That's actually made me very angry. I'm normally just irritated by all of this, but having suffered personally from serious medical problems (real ones) under a crumbling NHS the past few years, I can't believe the effrontery.

Agerbilatemycardigan · 17/02/2018 14:04

I honestly thought it was a parody when I first read it.

Agerbilatemycardigan · 17/02/2018 14:06

A bunch of entitled males make outrageous demands and expect to have them carried out. Familiar isn't it?