If you've only recently 'peaked'....

[CisMyArse]

...please could I ask exactly what was your lightbulb moment? What did you hear or read that pushed you to our alpine slopes?

I peaked some time ago. These threads took me from zero to peak quite quickly as I learned that women's rights were under serious threat and I hadn't a clue. I think the 'Transwomen are women' finally tipped me over the edge. They're fucking not. Love the puppy book earlier in the thread.

clarinsgirl

Enjoy the rest of them here

lilymaynard.wordpress.com/2017/10/17/the-snowflake-books/

Reading here made me clarify.

The definition of AGP was key for me.

I’ve always been a “live and let live” type (if not a “support a minority” type) but I’ve realised that in virtually every encounter I have with a trans woman, they try to lead the conversation into talking about boobies and skirts and being looked at and how stockings make them feel and make up (with the expectation that I myself contribute anecdotes as a fellow “girl”)

And because I’ve been “trying to be liberal and right on” I’ve been basically indulging creeps who don’t believe in consent.

If they want to go to fetish clubs and discuss their fantasies online then it’s a free world

but they basically are older weird men (considered unattractive by any sexual orientation or standard ) who want to engage in the conversations and get into the personal space of attractive younger women.

I feel like I’ve been violated. I’m not fucking happy.

Can someone start a thread on AGP?

For me it was hearing and reading stories about families who had very young children they had labeled as transgender. In every story I came across, the stereotypes were so obvious and appalling. He liked to wear a tea towel on his head and pretend it was long hair. She dressed up as Spiderman for Halloween. He loved anything pink and glittery. That's when we knew.

And then you hear, "as soon as we told him that some girls have pennies, he said 'that's like me!' and it all made sense..."

So in other words, you bought in to a load of stereotypes, and then told your child something that is factually incorrect, and then 'followed their lead' to this conclusion.

The more of these stories I read / heard, the starker the realisation became that this. is. not. progressive.

Penises, not pennies

What is AGP please? I'm guessing it is not Accellerated Graphic Port.

Accelerated of course...

Thanks Ovahere 😁

WitchIwasaWitch18 AGP = Autogynephile. thats a man who gets sexual gratification form imagining himself as a woman.

Look for the Trans Widows Escape Committee thread; AGP's tend to work in IT, work out, and are often homophobic.
They often have a wife and kids.
They frequently leave to find themselves, then bankrupt their families

these might help;
Transgender: How the autogynephilic character is developed

Transgender: Autogynephilia and Narcissistic Rage

Thank you! It's certainly been educational over the last couple of days.

I think it was India Willoughby who pushed me over the edge.

Listening to her arrogance on Women’s Hour.

Andi Dier/Rose McGowen was the tipping point.

There'd been a few things recently which made me sit back and think "I'm not comfortable with where this is headed" eg the self id thing and Canada's decision to allow TIMs with intact penis into women's prisons but it was Andi Dier that tipped me over the edge.

Not necessarily his outburst, as outrageous and disturbing as it was, but the continued support of a male-bodied heckler verbally attacking an abused woman while she was speaking about her abuse after it came out that Adni had been accused on multiple occasions of assaulting and sexually harassing underaged girls and had a worrying online presence.

I went from disbelief to anger as I switched from wondering why these so-called allies of women couldn't see what I did to realising they saw it all too well, they just hate us.

I still have the utmost sympathy for dysphoric people and people who just choose to dress and act in a way typically associated with the opposite gender and would happily fight for them to be able to do so without prejudice or fear of violence but gender and sex need separating. One is fact, it is biology, it cannot ever be changed and biological males do not have the right to trample all over women and invade their spaces. The other is an ever changing social construct which should be challenged.

For me, it's sports. And ironically, I'm not even particularly sporty, or a big sports supporter.

So ... trans women keep saying they're born in the wrong body.

But - oh - all of a sudden that 'wrong' body's just fine and dandy when it comes to cheating at sport.

If you think your physical body is wrong - then - it's wrong. It's not a women's body, therefore it can't compete against other women's bodies in sports.

You can't use your 'wrong' male body to your advantage when it suits you - especially when you're crystal clear around the fact that you're in the wrong body. You admit it's wrong. So - competing against women is wrong.

There is nothing that will dissuade me from thinking that transwomen /men competing against women in sport is cheating.

And I'm really embarrassed that we will have a cheat on next year's Commonwealth Games squad.

i.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/99233155/new-zealand-transgender-weightlifter-creates-uneven-playing-field-says-australias-weightlifting-chief

You can bet your bottom dollar that if the Australian team had a man competing against women in their team, the fury from NZ would be uncontainable.

I don't know that NZ can protest too much; after allowing Laurel Hubbard on their weightlifting team ...

That's my point!

Sorry - I misread completely without opening the link! It's baffling how this can go on without a gigantic fuss being made.

I know.

You don't compete in sport with your mind, or your feelings. You compete with your body. That's what differentiates sport from other completions, and why it's always been segregated by sex.

So if your body is wrong, then you're cheating.

It's very clear cut for me.

Initially for me it was the attack on Ralph Knibbs. I worked with him back in the early 90's in a LA and could not imagine why someone would want to attack him.

More recently, finding that Transwomen like Miranda Yardley are being called transphobic and subjected to hatred and death threats have absolutely stumped me. I cannot even begin to fathom out how that works.

I’d say there’s also a “light” form of AGP (linked with clothing fetishism) which some men like to inflict on women who they don’t know - which is where the worry about changing rooms comes in.

I recall an online style forum (basically just advice on everyday dressing)

Think “style and beauty” forum here with more photos and more personal conversations.

A cross dresser joined, and was allowed to post for a while. He identified as a Male cross dresser but didn’t post a profile photo.

Rather than ask the same questions other members did (about whether Marks and Spencer clothing is now worse quality than Debenhams, or even if yellow or blue dresses suited him) he started discussions into how he liked the touch of silk on his skin, how the women would feel about a man in a dress?

Because the members were quite naice, liberal types they did engage with him, contributed their own personal experiences etc.

When he did eventually post a photo of himself it was of his torso, clad only in shiny black corset.

I think the mod banned him after a while, there must have been some complaints.

Basically just a fetishist creep and a pervert.

Speaking of Marks and Spencers. When I was 23 I had some plain black flat over the knee boots. Clearly very well worn etc

Left them whilst I tried on some shoes. Guy in a dress, very softly spoken, elderly, has picked them up and claims that he thought they were stock

I didn’t say anything as I was in
a hurry, and what would you say really?

Now he’s allowed into the changing rooms. Grim.

I did not believe the Big Lie the first time I heard it, that males can transmogrify into females, and females into males. It was too Dr Mengele for me, and everything I learned confirmed the creep factor.
Many more lies are told to support the BIG LIE. That we all start out as female is a supporting lie. A combination of XX and XY is all that is on offer, but this lie is necessary to support the BIG LIE.
Men have been lying about women for as long as there is recorded history. It is a mistake to believe them when they tell us what we are.

A lot of the dialogue is also about success, power, competition and attention. I’ve realised this as I’ve learned more.

Bruce Jenner gets to the end of his career as a man, the Kardashian girls are getting lots of attention/money and (as the ever wise Greer pointed out) hes jealous and wants a slice of the pie. So he is a woman, and now the limelight is on him and he can cash in.

Young, attractive,women have (and will always have) a sexual impression on successful heterosexual men (which as biological women know is a double edged sword which we CANT OPT OUT OF by putting on a dress or trousers)

“Sissies” want and fetishise and are obsessed with getting that power.

A lot of weird unsuccessful older men want to reinvent themselves as sexy female teenagers (which they think they can get through miniskirts and lipstick and wigs) and then yeah they’re still just a guy in a dress to successful men, so they start ranting about female “privilege”

Half of India Willoughbys ranting on CBB was that as she had “decided” to have an image with big breasts and long blonde hair (most real women accept what they are given and still get fucking sexually harassed ) she felt entitled to have a successful man be attracted to her.

Saw this on Twitter today. Chilling

They certainly don't make any bones about it being a male dominance display for the majority of them do they?

The prisons.

And generally if peoole are saying 4 legs good 2 legs bad about anything then it worries me.