If you've only recently 'peaked'....

[CisMyArse]

...please could I ask exactly what was your lightbulb moment? What did you hear or read that pushed you to our alpine slopes?

Datun on these boards peaked me. I really didn't know anything about it till then.

Mine was a while back. But the facts are (briefly) as follows:

I work in a male dominated profession. Somebody in NY had a great idea to link up all the women in the industry by having a women only secret FB group. The ambition was to forge connections and give each other opportunities. It was hugely exciting and within 24 hours we had 30000 members and there were so many truly incredible exchanges going on. Ground breaking.

Some handmaidens invited a few trans in. You can probably guess the rest.

It started with the language policing to begin with. We'd been starting our posts with 'hello ladies!' 'Hey girls!' Etc. Basically revelling in our secret womens' club. The trans interlopers drew up a furious charter stating that we couldn't use words like ladies, women, girls etc. This drawing up and editing and debating the charter took for fucking ever and then they amended it to include references to periods, abortions etc. Couldn't talk about those etc. Btw. A LOT of women on this forum were writers on womens magazines and they covered womens topics like that, unsurprisingly.

AND ANYWAY. IT WAS A WOMENS' FUCKING FORUM!

Anyway, to bring this sorry tale to a close, the whole focus became about our trans members, all out war ensued and within a week the club had imploded. Oh, and I had a handmaiden call me a bigot

I've been hooked on this for the last week. It's like the world just went totally nuts when I wasn't looking! I've always felt for transgender folks, can't be easy but there is something kind of sinister about this. My peaktrans came after reading 'transwomen are women' for the 50th time. Do they actually believe this? I actually feel sorry for genuine transexuals, so trapped in their bodies they go to great lengths to try and have the body they feel they are meant to have. Then along comes Clive who puts on a frock and lippy and wants everyone to call him Mavis or some bull and feel sorry for him because 'cis women' forget their p's and q's and talk about their female anatomy? I don't think so Clive. And no, that lesbian isn't being a transphobe because you've decided you're also a lesbian and she's not prepared to suck your female penis.

Have the monkeys been let out the zoo or what?

And im still angry now. Apologies for any typos in the above. That was a looooooooong post

When the British Medical Journal said medical practitioners should avoid using the term "pregnant women" to avoid offending trans people. "Pregnant people" should be used instead.

It's a really bad idea to erase the words women and Mother. How are we supposed to fight without owning our own names.

And the ultimate irony is - what are they all transitioning to if we are forced to dismantle the concept of a woman for fear of offending them?

I can’t remember. Possibly falling down a mumsnet rabbit hole that brought me over here.

Fairly recently, but before I came onto the Feminitst board, a TIM at work sexually harrassed one of my young colleagues in an attempt to “turn” her into a lesbian. The whole idea blew my mind a bit. I’ve evidently led a sheltered life...!

If we had profile signatures on here I would be totally stealing this for mine:

I never thought that I would be relying on the Daily Mail to save us all from the lady penis

And....YourVagesty has peaktransed me all over again. Need more wine....

Lily Madigan.

That is all.

Oh yeah. And when I was part of a work committee putting together a maternity policy. And by the time it was finished it was 32 pages long and didn't include the words 'mother' or 'maternity'.

At one point, I completely took the piss out of the committee, exasperated at the twisting of language, and suggesting that we refer to the parents as 'Reproductive Unit 1' and 'Reproductive Unit 2'. That's also the moment I decided I couldn't continue with my employment at that idiotic place.

That's awful YourVagesty. It's these types of things that go unnoticed by the world that will continually erode everything women have achieved for themselves.

WiseUp I know this is cruel but i'm glad you are feeling my rage I carry this around with me all the time. Shall I pour us both a big gin?

It was the whole cis thing for me. I am a woman. I refuse to use a prefix. I've had enough.

Rose McGowan and a trans woman being misogynistic to me on social media.

Ova - the funny thing is that in both of the above examples, I ended up on the receiving end of a hand maiden's scolding.

What's that all about?

When people started telling me you had to keep scissors away from toddler boys who like pink.

For me it was being told not to discuss FGM as it was triggering for Trans-identifying men. The idea that I might ignore the plight of 8 year old girls being cut just so as to not upset a man in a dress. Fuck right off

And I have a trans sibling and friends who have been quietly living their lives for years, not hurting anyone, and fully aware that they are not biological women, but grateful people are kind enough to use the pronouns 'she/her' so I know this is all a men's rights activist plot rather than something the genuine trans community think.

It was that person going on hunger strike because they aren't allowed makeup or hair straighteners in prison and because they're in a male prison....

1. Nobody in prison should have hair straighteners, they are potentially very dangerous

1. Women are being left to bleed in police cells because no one provides sanitary protection, and this twat is bleating about hair?

1. Um, hey Guardian, did you forget to mention that this person was imprisoned for sexual offences? Are we meant to be fine with locking this person away with a lot of very vulnerable women? Because I myself am Not.

I feel deeply for ordinary, decent trans people who want to go about their business without harming anyone, and I want them to be able to crack on with their lives, but there must be a way that we can meet their needs without abandoning women to the mercies of any cheeky fucker who decides to put on a dress. This is a conversation that should be being had, but it is not. And that worries me.

For me it's been a slow drip, drip, but the things that really angered me were the speakers corner incident, Lily Madigan and the Rose McGowan incident. Collectively it made me realise that the transsexuals I knew years ago were not anything like this new breed - transgenders. Their vitriol staggered me and the nodebate thing is vicious too. Since I found out the first little snippets it's becoming like a deluge.

I think for me the seeds of doubt started when Caitlyn Jenner won a Woman of the Year award, and thinking WTF? All those women doing amazing, brave, innovative things around the world, and that's who they picked? I have since followed the topic on here with growing feeling of unease and disbelief at the erosion of women's hard won rights, and have talked about it with DH and teenage DD who are beginning to see the light. DH is a gentle, tolerant sort but was incredulous at the insanity of it all.

I read a thread on MN just over a year ago that was to do with Maria Miller's bill. The thread author explained the implications really really well, without emotion or prejudice, and made me investigate the whole thing for myself.

I mentioned it to a few lefty (some gay) male friends at Easter on a weekend away, they weren't terribly interested and thought it ludicrous to believe that any male would self id to get access to women. I thought maybe I over-thinking this (older males = better brains, obviously 🙄)

When the Lily thing blew up, (and Anne being bullied out), I peaked, and I publicised it. Those nice male friends pretty much destroyed me on social media (without naming me, but whispering around all our mutual friends)

Since then, i have a new anonymous Twitter account, Ive been to a WPUK meeting, much more active on here, defriended lots of people, and no longer give a shit about saying PENIS and VAGINA quite loudly when needed DH is on-side but will never be vocal about it, and my lefty commie anciently feminist mum has also come round from "all trans people are as lovely as Jan Morris" to "oh gosh, thats a bit much"

Sorry for the outpouring. Need gin

Ova - the funny thing is that in both of the above examples, I ended up on the receiving end of a hand maiden's scolding.

What's that all about?

I don't really know, I sometimes think that because we all live under male oppression women either leap towards sisterhood or handmaideness but both are ways of just trying to navigate a system under which we are disadvantaged.

I read some of Dworkins, Right Wing Women a while back and I think it bears some relevance to women TRAs.

It was the Top Shop thing and the Lily Madigan thing and realising that 2 entitled little shits could mess things up for an entire country of women. And the idiots running the country don't have a clue, it doesn't really affect them so they will just virtue signal away.

I guess I became more 'aware' of these issues since having my own children, the first two being girls. The last year the has been the eye opener to me. These threads I have read with great interest and they make me sad, angry and scared as women's rights and safe spaces are being taken over.

The final straw was the word cis. Fuck you cis, I'm a woman, not a cis woman

This was my wtf moment...

Welcome to all the newly peaked! For me it was reading a bbc report on the first women soldier on the front line. Of course, it was a man. Women had only just been allowed to apply for this job and the first round of applications hadn't even been processed at that point. But a man made sure he was in there first to steal their thunder.

I've just updated the To Do List if anyone wants to start taking some action. See the last few posts on this thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/2995738-Gender-ID-bill-Gender-Critical-To-Do-List