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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

If you've only recently 'peaked'....

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CisMyArse · 07/02/2018 17:17

...please could I ask exactly what was your lightbulb moment? What did you hear or read that pushed you to our alpine slopes?

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fishdogpancakes · 14/02/2018 00:26

rules I've been giving this some thought as I am like you. Not really up for the confrontational heckling and public speaking.

Some ideas;

Art. Draw/make posters and share them where ever you can without breaking laws
Humour. Spread jokes about it. Laugh at them.
Write about it - to your MP, your local parties, your local papers, Womans Hour , Radio 4 ...where ever you can think of.
Go to womens place meetings.
Read and read some more. Information and knowledge gives you power to defend your position.
Share some of the ludicrous sporting photos. They have more impact than you'd credit.

LeslieKnopefan · 14/02/2018 07:36

A build up really. So first it was the toilet issue but as it isn’t something that bothered me (I’ve used men’s loos a lot when there are long lines!) but then it all escalated.

Reading this group made me see how many grey areas by simply saying trans women are women.

My real peak was when the NZ weightlifter won and no one seemed to have an issue with it. Getting adult women into sport is a passion of mine and I just saw the damage this would do.

SusanBunch · 14/02/2018 07:53

This was my peak trans moment. Apologies if it has already been posted- I didn't have time to read through all the posts.

TheDowagerCuntess · 14/02/2018 08:01

Laurel (read: Gavin) Hubbard, who's just a big ol' man, lifting weights with all the women because he can't compete with the men and needs to cheat.

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TheDowagerCuntess · 14/02/2018 08:03

I mean, way to prove you couldn't be more of a man. 🙄

SunsetBeetch · 14/02/2018 13:58

There is some excellent trolling of th #FreeTheSheWolf hashtag on twitter going on. Might help some more people Peak?

(It's TRAs hashtag in support of the Speakers Corner thug.)

OvaHere · 14/02/2018 14:03

Lets add Hannah Mouncey to the list of peak trans. Edging women's sport further into extinction.

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smithsinarazz · 14/02/2018 14:04

Sitting in a room with a lot of loud-voiced, sweary men who wouldn't let me get a word in edgeways, one of whom was wearing a dress.
I used to be straightforwardly lefty-liberal about the trans issue - insofar as I thought it was any of my business. I don't have licensing rights over women's clothes or female names, so I didn't see why I should object to anyone using them.
Then I thought "It does raise some interesting questions about what, exactly, we mean by gender."
Then things like "TRANSWOMEN ARE WOMEN" started popping up online and anyone who demurred was told "DIE TERF SCUM". And it began to look to me rather like a lot of people-with-XY-chromosomes saying to a lot of people-with-XX-chromosomes, "Shut up, woman, you don't know what you're talking about" - with regard to the very definition of womanhood.
There are characteristics, I think, that naturally correlate with femaleness, besides the possession of female reproductive organs. But they aren't the things that the TIMs espouse - the baby-doll dresses and layers of slap, which are culturally-transmitted. Women are more likely to have relationships with men, less likely to commit violent crime, less likely to take unnecessary risks, except in the context of having relationships with men. (Of course all these characteristics are exaggerated by socialisation.)
In general, we are less likely to wade through slaughter to a throne, and more likely to be the ones waded through, if a patriarchal society says that wading and slaughter are the way to get ahead.
Trans ideology defines femaleness entirely on the basis of some vague "feeling" which need not be defined; and therefore it denies that the patriarchy discriminates against women, because trans women don't have the physical or psychological characteristics that lead women to be steamrollered.

HeavenOrSpace · 14/02/2018 14:15

I started questioning it all a few years ago, again it was MN where I first saw an alternative view being discussed and I started thinking 'hang on a minute'. I think it was the idea of a 'female penis' that finally did it, and how we were now supposed to accept this as an alternative fact. Then down the autogynephilia rabbit hole which really opened my eyes. If I wasn't already done the final straw was finding out about packers for little girls to put in their underwear Sad

YourVagesty · 14/02/2018 15:38

brilliant post smithsinarazz

Terfragette · 14/02/2018 16:54

smithsinarazz sums up how I feel, too.

My peaks were

Speakers' Corner
Tsunami of abuse directed at feminists
Madigan election
Jo Cox Award
ASW
Being labelled a transphobic terf for asking what's going on
Female Penis
Sports

KittiesInsane · 14/02/2018 17:03

I think mine was finding that my children didn't dare discuss it.

The younger one told me that it was a good thing that these days we KNOW that there are over 70 genders so people can be out about it, then retreated into 'You wouldn't understand and I'm really shocked that you are so intolerant' when I asked him what on earth qualified as 70 different genders, and whether old people like me got to have one.

The oldest (a propos of males on his uni women's sports team) muttered shiftily, 'Look, in some ways I kind of... agree with you that, well, maybe, um, well, it's complicated and I'd be slaughtered if I even talked about it in college.'

I tried to ask them where their information came from and what it is that they daren't say, but I just get wild-eyed looks as if the Stazi are listening in.

Terfragette · 14/02/2018 17:41

I JUST PEAKED AGAIN!!!!!

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/victim-vile-bondage-paedophile-tells-8608834

SusanBunch · 14/02/2018 17:48

Terfagette oh my GOD. I am speechless. What a sick vile creature and that poor brave man for speaking up. When are people going to stop feting murderers and pedophiles as some sort of heroes? I remember when Jenny Swift committed suicide and Twitter was full of 'RIP u brave beautiful soul'. Never mind that Jenny had murdered someone in cold blood.

I now hope that Ian Huntley goes ahead full steam with his alleged transition because it needs something radical to get everyone to change their minds.

Terfragette · 14/02/2018 17:49

and again

TransPrivilege is having a 'Day of Remembrance' to honour non-existent transgender murder victims in a town with literally thousands of female victims of sexual violence, whose rapists were protected by officials more concerned about racial harmony.

www.rotherhamadvertiser.co.uk/news/view,event-in-rotherham-to-highlight-transgender-hate-crime_24477.htm

SusanBunch · 14/02/2018 17:55

Yes, why don't they go ahead and name some of the numerous murdered trans women? I have read about a few trans murderERS but not so many that have been murdered (in the UK at least).

TruScum · 14/02/2018 18:09

I 'peaked' a long time ago.

I've been doing my bit to 'peak' as many people as I can.

However I do have an advantage as I am a transsexual, so 'normal' people don't tend to scream transphobe at me.

I have definitely noticed that my tweets do not attract the same level of rage as women's do. Though I am often blocked after an obligatory 'truscum' is thrown my way.

MrGHardy · 14/02/2018 18:11

"Yes, why don't they go ahead and name some of the numerous murdered trans women? I have read about a few trans murderERS but not so many that have been murdered (in the UK at least)."

I did some research last. Not accurate, just some statistics I found on various websites:

In the US, trans women are 4.3 times as likely to be murdered as women. Prostitutes are 60-100 times more as likely (harder to estimate due to data hence the range). But ca 12% of trans people say they are or have worked in the sex industry, ca. 10 times as much as women (1-2%).

Accounting for the fact that trans are disproportionately working in the sex industry, they are actually murdered at a lower rate than women. Additionally, almost 90% of all trans murdered in the US in 2015 or 2016 I don't remember, were black. No one seems to mention that.

Finally, it's not gender critical feminists that murder trans people. It's violent men. And the former know all about the latter, trans should listen to the former.

AgentCooper · 14/02/2018 18:25

Not wishing to get too emotional here but when I was pregnant with DS last year and had to go to the Early Pregnancy Unit with quite heavy bleeding I read something about the erasure of the terms 'expectant mother' and 'pregnant woman' and I found it so upsetting.

DS is currently asleep on me and is absolutely fine, but that day I just felt like screaming 'don't take the word mother away from me because I am this baby's mother, even if he doesn't make it. And don't pretend that a man could experience this in the same way.'

lovetheway · 14/02/2018 18:28

Rachel Dolezal. Remember all the hatred and mockery and opprobrium directed towards her?

Then I came on here and someone said 'How she different to Bruce Jenner?'. And I was like shit! Because I knew I could never go back.
(The answer is, of course to paraphrase Nora Ephron- when men do things it is brave and daring, whereas women are seen as mad and desperate)

Fekko · 14/02/2018 18:32

Well, Brucie changed in front of the full glare of the media. He didn’t do a sneaky change and pretend he’d been a woman all along.

I do love the way she decided that she still wanted the male privileges of the gold club though.

Agerbilatemycardigan · 14/02/2018 18:42

And keep his dick Fekko

Fekko · 14/02/2018 18:45

Did he/she/I’m condused now. I thought Bruce had the chop? Woman of the year?

FAD...

fishdogpancakes · 14/02/2018 18:46

www.whidbeynewstimes.com/news/man-accused-of-voyeurism-in-walmart-bathroom/

Because this won't happen in the UK. Oh no of course not...

MrGHardy · 14/02/2018 18:49

KittiesInsane that story is insane. How much power does this lobby have that college kids are scared to speak up about it, even at home? And how did it come about, maybe my uni was too a-political (which might be ironic given it's name and history, but I mean I just felt students were more interested in career, study, and fun than political agendas), but even so, I only left in 2011...

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