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Disgusted by all the transphobia here

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MikePeterson · 04/02/2018 16:12

A very good friend of mine and a long time poster here has spent most of her day crying because this fresh wave of transphobia in a community she thought she was welcome in has finally broken her spirits. After obtaining her permission, I am posting this because it needs to be said.

She is a woman with a penis and has identified as such since she was old enough to understand the concept of gender. Being female is part of her identity but so is her body, such as it is and untouched by surgery and artificial hormones. She is a beautiful individual and, to my eye, presents a much more feminine image than, ironically, Linda Bellos and several of her fellow bigots.

Arguing that, because of potential past trauma involving males, causing seeing a penis or even an individual likely to be in possession of a penis to be triggering is justification for segregation is as absurd as it is offensive. Would it be acceptable for a woman who was the victim of a violent crime commuted by a particular ethnic minority to demand that all members of that race be segregated in changing rooms and domestic violence shelters? Of course not.

Equally ludicrous is the claim that transgender women somehow had the privilege of living as a man. Cisgendered women are light years ahead of transgender women in terms of privilege and if you wish to continue denying this, you are no better than the most vile male misogynists.

Finally, think about how disrespectful you are being to all women, you are reducing all the wonderful differences between the genders to what someone has between their legs. The same feminist ancestors who fought for your right to vote, to be regarded as more than domestic servants and baby machines would spit on you for your intolerance.

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Fairenuff · 04/02/2018 16:36

transgendered women are not 'pretending' to be women, they are women

COULD YOU PLEASE DEFINE 'WOMAN' FOR ME.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE.

PRETTY PLEASE.

Sorry to shout but I really need to know what transwomen think a woman is. It would help so much with the debate.

PLEASE

BelaLugosisShed · 04/02/2018 16:36

Bye bye, Mike, I’d like to say it’s been fun but I’d be lying - just like you .

BoreOfWhabylon · 04/02/2018 16:36

blatblatblat, I don't consider any aspect of a person's body or how they present it to have anything to do with gender, merely what they truly believe in their heart.

That's nice Mike.

I prefer to stick with biological reality.

SuperLoudPoppingAction · 04/02/2018 16:36

'all the wonderful differences between the genders'
Such as?

SophoclesTheFox · 04/02/2018 16:36

If your friend is upset to the extent of sobbing all day because people online disagree with them, then I think your best act as their friend is to get them off the internet and talking to a professional.

LaurieFairyCake · 04/02/2018 16:37

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mustbemad17 · 04/02/2018 16:37

How can you be female with a penis?! I can't even begin to unravel the rest of your post because that bit alone is just fucking mind boggling!! I have a very open mind but that just doesn't make sense

stitchglitched · 04/02/2018 16:37

WHAT IS YOUR FRIEND'S BIOLOGICAL SEX?

Didactylos · 04/02/2018 16:37

so, your 'friend' has cried all day because some women on a parenting site do not believe in fairies, transubstatiation or ladypeens¨

meanwhile, in the real world, (sorry for the daily mail link)
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4856268/Transgender-rapist-moved-women-jail-segregated.html

Im afraid my sympathies lie with the women in HMP Bronzefield who were exposed to a dangerous male sex predator in the name of an ideology of inclusivity

DullAndOld · 04/02/2018 16:37

" Show some tolerance. "

no fuck off, I wont show 'tolerance' to men taking over women's spaces.

I had a thought the other day, all this fuss about 'safe spaces' where students can go if they don't want to hear any opinion that they disagree with (eg Cardiff uni 'no platforming Germaine Greer) is taking place at exactly the same time that women's safe spaces are systematically being eroded. By men...

you couldn't make it up.

MikePeterson · 04/02/2018 16:37

BoreOfWhabylon, what about people with atypical numbers of X and Y chromosomes?

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FloraFox · 04/02/2018 16:37

If another race held structural power where I live and committed 98% of sexual crimes against my race, if members of that race killed two members of my race every week and half the members of my race had been assaulted by members of that race then no I would not want them in spaces where I would be vulnerable.

Trans identified males commit the same offending pattern as other men.

SuperLoudPoppingAction · 04/02/2018 16:37

'a woman is someone who identifies as a woman.'
This is circular.
Define woman without using the word woman.
I can define apple without using the word apple.
Can you have a try?

NotAgainYoda · 04/02/2018 16:37

Also, Mike, go and talk to some men about their disgusting actual violence towards women and transwomen. I'm sure they'll be agog

RavenLG · 04/02/2018 16:37

Mike, I agree with you mostly that the transphobia on MN is disgusting.

It’s the overwhelming hatred, and blanket statements like “transwomen are only identifying as women to get into female only spaces to assault them” it makes me fucking sick. There is a transwoman I work with but according to mn I should have been penetrated by her(his) penis by now because all trans are only doing it to sexually assault women. Because changing rooms are apparently the only place they could do that. Because no one gets raped walking down the street do they.

HermioneWeasley · 04/02/2018 16:37

Can I see your proof that come rates against trans folks and higher than against women? Women are killed in their hundreds in the U.K. every year. There hasn’t been a TW killed since 2016. In the U.K., more TW have committed murder than been murdered - can you say the same for women?

Scabetty · 04/02/2018 16:38

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LangCleg · 04/02/2018 16:38

I agree with Shania.

This bloke's a troll and is probably getting off on all the replies.

Don't give him jerk off fodder. Just blank him.

Didactylos · 04/02/2018 16:38

transubstantiation
sorry, I identify as an individual with a spellchecker

pisacake · 04/02/2018 16:38

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Laqueue · 04/02/2018 16:38

Mike- who would you prefer to have sex with? A pre-op trans identifying male like your friend or a pre-op trans identifying female?

GrimDamnFanjo · 04/02/2018 16:38

I'm really sorry for your friend, all reasonable people have sympathy for transwomen. But people with penises are men and enjoy a range of privileges not available to women.

DullAndOld · 04/02/2018 16:38

fission I think I love you.

MikePeterson · 04/02/2018 16:39

DullAndOld, I strongly disagree with no platforming. I believe that the bigots as much right to speak as more tolerant and intellectually well rounded individuals. It keeps everyone aware of how deeply unpleasant the former is.

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