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Disgusted by all the transphobia here

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MikePeterson · 04/02/2018 16:12

A very good friend of mine and a long time poster here has spent most of her day crying because this fresh wave of transphobia in a community she thought she was welcome in has finally broken her spirits. After obtaining her permission, I am posting this because it needs to be said.

She is a woman with a penis and has identified as such since she was old enough to understand the concept of gender. Being female is part of her identity but so is her body, such as it is and untouched by surgery and artificial hormones. She is a beautiful individual and, to my eye, presents a much more feminine image than, ironically, Linda Bellos and several of her fellow bigots.

Arguing that, because of potential past trauma involving males, causing seeing a penis or even an individual likely to be in possession of a penis to be triggering is justification for segregation is as absurd as it is offensive. Would it be acceptable for a woman who was the victim of a violent crime commuted by a particular ethnic minority to demand that all members of that race be segregated in changing rooms and domestic violence shelters? Of course not.

Equally ludicrous is the claim that transgender women somehow had the privilege of living as a man. Cisgendered women are light years ahead of transgender women in terms of privilege and if you wish to continue denying this, you are no better than the most vile male misogynists.

Finally, think about how disrespectful you are being to all women, you are reducing all the wonderful differences between the genders to what someone has between their legs. The same feminist ancestors who fought for your right to vote, to be regarded as more than domestic servants and baby machines would spit on you for your intolerance.

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Melamin · 04/02/2018 16:27

Mike, could you list a few of the wonderful differences for me? Just so we know we're on the same page. Ta

Yes, please do. Interested.

SuperLoudPoppingAction · 04/02/2018 16:27

I am saddened to see someone come on here to attack a Black lesbian feminist who has done so much for women.
If you don't think she's woman enough for you I suggest it's you with an issue with policing the gender presentation of women.

'all the wonderful differences between the genders'
Such as?

TheShaniaTwainExperience · 04/02/2018 16:27

Linda Bellos is hot and your mate is deluded

GO HOME, ROGER

MikePeterson · 04/02/2018 16:28

LaurieFairyCake, how would you feel if due to negative experiences with your race a group of women started demanding you and all those with the same race as you be relegated to another changing room?

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DullAndOld · 04/02/2018 16:28

yes transwomen are men.

I will be polite and friendly and call them 'she' if they like.
However there appears to be a big difference between the 'old' transsexuals who are just living their lives, post op, and this new generation of 'transwomen' who seem to hate us. 'Cis' indeed. No, I am a woman. thanks.

And Linda Bellos is an intellectual and a grandmother. She doesn't need some fucked up boysie declaring her 'unfeminine', does she?

BernardSpilsbury · 04/02/2018 16:28

Trans women are not women, they are trans women.
Your friend is going to have to accept that not everyone will agree with their beliefs.

Fekko · 04/02/2018 16:28

Your friend needs to understand they are and what they aren’t.

It isn’t transphocic to state the fact that a man cannot be a woman and vice versa. Why do you think they can?

To spend a day sobbing sounds like a child who has been told that he can’t be a cat when he grows up.

stitchglitched · 04/02/2018 16:28

Hi Mike, what is the biological sex of your friend please?

PerspicaciaTick · 04/02/2018 16:29

The OP is just a ticklist of phrases and ideas designed to goad.
I don't think Mike believes anything he said, but he does like the idea of baiting women.

littlbrowndog · 04/02/2018 16:29

Gender differences mike. What are they

Eminybob · 04/02/2018 16:30

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Laqueue · 04/02/2018 16:30

Skin colour has nothing to do with the fact that peni do not belong in female spaces. A female person (woman) is female no matter their sexuality or their skin colour.

Imherefornow · 04/02/2018 16:30

'what they truly believe in their heart' so 51% of the worlds biological, measurable and observable reality should take a back seat to someone's beliefs!?

SuperLoudPoppingAction · 04/02/2018 16:30

Oh so after maligning a Black woman activist you're now co-opting racist oppression to fumble around trying to make a point.

There are single sex changing rooms for modesty and safety.
Because males have a track record of sex crimes against females.

TheShaniaTwainExperience · 04/02/2018 16:31

aurieFairyCake, how would you feel if due to negative experiences with your race a group of women started demanding you and all those with the same race as you be relegated to another changing room

If you deem it appropriate to compare racial oppression to supposed ‘transphobia’ then by proxy you are giving legitimacy to transracialism. How does it feel to be a racist swine?

TellsEveryoneRealFacts · 04/02/2018 16:31

She is a woman with a penis

People with penises are men. It is not helpful to pretend that they can be anything other than men.

If you are disgusted by the knowledge of biology, then perhaps a website with people who don't know about biology is more your style?

MikePeterson · 04/02/2018 16:31

DullAndOld, the hatred has nothing to do with your gender, it's purely hatred of your intolerance. You are trying to place limitations on another individuals identity and that is unacceptable. Transgendered individuals face a daily assault from bigots of all backgrounds.

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SauvignonBlanche · 04/02/2018 16:31

She is a woman with a penis Hmm
Like fuck she is.

Melamin · 04/02/2018 16:31

Gender differences mike. What are they ?????

SuperLoudPoppingAction · 04/02/2018 16:31

Have you recommended any sources of support to your friend or was hassling women on the Internet your first port of call?

stitchglitched · 04/02/2018 16:32

Mike can you please answer what the biological sex of your friend is?

Scabetty · 04/02/2018 16:32

Your friend can cry all they like but they have a penis. They are not female. They can wear whatever they like and call themselves by a female name but they remain a man.

LML83 · 04/02/2018 16:32

OP I agree it is awful the amount of negative comments on mumsnet on this.

Rather than preventing transwomen using the changing room they choose support the victims to overcome their issues. Stop the men who are violent against women and have made them feel unsafe.

I don't care about mixed toilets or changing rooms everyone should use what they feel comfortable with. To make everyone feel safe maybe proper cubicals rather than curtains.

From a family point of view it will be easier if dh can take DD to shared toilet rather than male. And vice versa for me and ds.

LaurieFairyCake · 04/02/2018 16:32

‘Race’ and ‘Sex’ are NOT the same. Only an idiot would fail to understand the difference.

It is illegal to discriminate on grounds of race.

There are protections in the sex discrimination Act to allow female only spaces (currently decided by sex and not gender which is a social construct) like in women’s refuges and to recruit women to work in those spaces.

OwlBeBack · 04/02/2018 16:32

What a load of bollocks.

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