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Disgusted by all the transphobia here

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MikePeterson · 04/02/2018 16:12

A very good friend of mine and a long time poster here has spent most of her day crying because this fresh wave of transphobia in a community she thought she was welcome in has finally broken her spirits. After obtaining her permission, I am posting this because it needs to be said.

She is a woman with a penis and has identified as such since she was old enough to understand the concept of gender. Being female is part of her identity but so is her body, such as it is and untouched by surgery and artificial hormones. She is a beautiful individual and, to my eye, presents a much more feminine image than, ironically, Linda Bellos and several of her fellow bigots.

Arguing that, because of potential past trauma involving males, causing seeing a penis or even an individual likely to be in possession of a penis to be triggering is justification for segregation is as absurd as it is offensive. Would it be acceptable for a woman who was the victim of a violent crime commuted by a particular ethnic minority to demand that all members of that race be segregated in changing rooms and domestic violence shelters? Of course not.

Equally ludicrous is the claim that transgender women somehow had the privilege of living as a man. Cisgendered women are light years ahead of transgender women in terms of privilege and if you wish to continue denying this, you are no better than the most vile male misogynists.

Finally, think about how disrespectful you are being to all women, you are reducing all the wonderful differences between the genders to what someone has between their legs. The same feminist ancestors who fought for your right to vote, to be regarded as more than domestic servants and baby machines would spit on you for your intolerance.

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TheShaniaTwainExperience · 04/02/2018 16:33

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WillowWept · 04/02/2018 16:33

Mike are you a het man?

If so are you attracted to men with "lady penis"?

DullAndOld · 04/02/2018 16:33

I am far from 'intolerant' Mike, let me assure you.

I just object to some fucked up boysie using his new 'femaleness' to tell real women to move over/ shut the fuck up. Which is what they/you are doing.

And it's 'sex' not 'gender'.

NotAgainYoda · 04/02/2018 16:33

I'm sure your friend is lovely. I am sorry she is upset

I won't "he" her is she won't "cis" me. We both get to decide on that

But as for the rest of it...

LangCleg · 04/02/2018 16:33

We're all here for women as a sex, Mike. What with patriarchy oppressing women on the basis of their sex.

If you want to white knight for GNC males, why don't you budge up and welcome them in your spaces?

Stop berating women in their own spaces. It's not big. It's not clever. It's just patriarchy. Same as it ever was.

You're a bore.

DullAndOld · 04/02/2018 16:33

thanks Shania, you may have a point.

WillowWept · 04/02/2018 16:33

Or are men only "women" as long as you only have to shout that at women, not actually sleep with them or anything.

DearSergio · 04/02/2018 16:33

Behold, man has come to tell us how to do feminism properly Wink

gussyfinknottle · 04/02/2018 16:34

I don't want to see a penis in a changing room with me. I don't need to explain why. It makes me feel uncomfortable and threatened. I shouldn't have to explain why I don't want a penis in a space I consider private. A woman would understand and respect this.

Viviennemary · 04/02/2018 16:34

Not this again. But we have now been led to believe anything can be changed. Definition of marriage man and woman. Now two men or two women. So that's changed. So why is this man/woman thing written in stone. It can't just be written in stone because some folk from MN says it should be. No more can marriage be written in stone because it's been that way for a few years. A man is a man. Says who.

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MikePeterson · 04/02/2018 16:34

SuperLoudPoppingAction, the rate of crime motivated by the gender against transgendered individuals is far higher than that against cisgendered women. By your logic, it is the latter who should be forced into male changing rooms. Show some tolerance.

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fizzthecat1 · 04/02/2018 16:34

how would you feel if due to negative experiences with your race a group of women started demanding you and all those with the same race as you be relegated to another changing room

Oh FGS women don't want men in their changing rooms how is that difficult to understand?! You're just a typical entitled man.

TheShaniaTwainExperience · 04/02/2018 16:34

What a load of bollocks

Disgusted by all the transphobia here
SuperLoudPoppingAction · 04/02/2018 16:34

Lml my gym is in a hotel. There's no space to build cubicles. Can you suggest a support organisation that is set up to brainwash women into not minding when men wave their genitalia around while we're trying to get changed?

Would they give out credit card size guides on how to spot whether someone is actually a flasher or just a nice bepenised woman?

QueenLaBeefah · 04/02/2018 16:34

Mike - please define what a woman actually is.

NotAgainYoda · 04/02/2018 16:34

I also think we need a new title

"Disgusted by all the transphobia' is soooo last week

BarrackerBarmer · 04/02/2018 16:34

Hello sexist man.
Your male friend, and his penis, and you, are not welcome in spaces for women.
Even if you cry about it.

Oh, and my feminist ancestors knew exactly who was being denied the vote, and who was denying it to them.

So you and your mate can take your woman-hating bullshit elsewhere.

pisacake · 04/02/2018 16:35

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SimonBridges · 04/02/2018 16:35

Oh thank god.
A man had finally turned up to tell us women how we are womening wrong.

Thank you oh wise man.

TheDetectorist · 04/02/2018 16:35

Why do you think that spaces such as toilets, prisons & changing rooms are segregated by gender and not sex?

What sex is your friend?

Assuming you are a man, what makes you a man?

Assuming you are a straight man, would you consider a sexual relationship with a transwoman?

So many questions... I will assume there will be no straight answers...

SuperLoudPoppingAction · 04/02/2018 16:35

Yes Mike. Crime against trans people is perpetrated by men. Men should be in mens changing rooms. Because men..hth

Eminybob · 04/02/2018 16:35

Do you believe that all men should be allowed in women’s changing rooms op, or just the trans identifying ones? Because if it’s the latter then your argument has no weight.

HermioneWeasley · 04/02/2018 16:36

Ah the logic of trans activists, that a penis has no “gender” but a brain does.

As a man, your only scope in this discussion is to make men’s spaces safe for feminine men like your friend. Not to tell women to shut up and budge up to make space for men you don’t want.

MikePeterson · 04/02/2018 16:36

QueenLaBeefah, a woman is someone who identifies as a woman.

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