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Disgusted by all the transphobia here

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MikePeterson · 04/02/2018 16:12

A very good friend of mine and a long time poster here has spent most of her day crying because this fresh wave of transphobia in a community she thought she was welcome in has finally broken her spirits. After obtaining her permission, I am posting this because it needs to be said.

She is a woman with a penis and has identified as such since she was old enough to understand the concept of gender. Being female is part of her identity but so is her body, such as it is and untouched by surgery and artificial hormones. She is a beautiful individual and, to my eye, presents a much more feminine image than, ironically, Linda Bellos and several of her fellow bigots.

Arguing that, because of potential past trauma involving males, causing seeing a penis or even an individual likely to be in possession of a penis to be triggering is justification for segregation is as absurd as it is offensive. Would it be acceptable for a woman who was the victim of a violent crime commuted by a particular ethnic minority to demand that all members of that race be segregated in changing rooms and domestic violence shelters? Of course not.

Equally ludicrous is the claim that transgender women somehow had the privilege of living as a man. Cisgendered women are light years ahead of transgender women in terms of privilege and if you wish to continue denying this, you are no better than the most vile male misogynists.

Finally, think about how disrespectful you are being to all women, you are reducing all the wonderful differences between the genders to what someone has between their legs. The same feminist ancestors who fought for your right to vote, to be regarded as more than domestic servants and baby machines would spit on you for your intolerance.

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corlan · 04/02/2018 16:21

Thanks Mike.

Disgusted by all the transphobia here
fizzthecat1 · 04/02/2018 16:21

She is a woman with a penis 😳

😳 There's no such thing....

UrsulaPandress · 04/02/2018 16:21

Couldn't get past your first few words.

Women do not have penises.

I am sorry your friend is upset but I think it is a Mental Health issue and help should be sought.

KayaG · 04/02/2018 16:21

It really didn't need to be said. Your arrogance is astonishing.

My ancestors knew that women don't have penises. It's not difficult, it's biology.

BigDeskBob · 04/02/2018 16:22

This is made up isn't it? Why would a TIM even be on the feminist section of a parenting website?

Series28 · 04/02/2018 16:22

Please lets no got this post removed! This is an important post that can be used to educate and explain different veiws to eachother.

MikePeterson · 04/02/2018 16:22

Thank you, Series28, transgendered women are not 'pretending' to be women, they are women.

shakeyourcaboose, how anyone chooses to dress is different to how they identify. A woman could be entirely male presenting but still be a woman if they identify as such.

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Anlaf · 04/02/2018 16:22

There are many glorious nuggets in this, but

you are reducing all the wonderful differences between the genders to what someone has between their legs

Mike, could you list a few of the wonderful differences for me? Just so we know we're on the same page. Ta

UpstartCrow · 04/02/2018 16:22

People who pretend women don't exist eradicate women as a class.

LangCleg · 04/02/2018 16:22

Don't cis me.

You're a man. This is a website for women. Take your patriarchal scolding elsewhere.

mimibunz · 04/02/2018 16:23

A penis has no inherent gender? Go away, Mike.

Cistersaredoingitforthemselves · 04/02/2018 16:23

Oh this must be a wind up... no one posts this and actually believes it

DullAndOld · 04/02/2018 16:23

" She is a woman with a penis and has identified as such since she was old enough to understand the concept of gender."

women don't have penises. Hmm and it's not 'gender' it's sex.

blatblatblat · 04/02/2018 16:23

I am also disgusted at a lot of the transphobia on here and agree with some of what you say but you lost me at this comment:

She is a beautiful individual and, to my eye, presents a much more feminine image than, ironically, Linda Bellos and several of her fellow bigots.

Wtf does having a "feminine image" have to do with anything?

Anlaf · 04/02/2018 16:24

I see I am only the second person to ask this.

And no don't remove it! We must exchange ideas with those who disagree with us even if it sounds a likely story

Laqueue · 04/02/2018 16:24

A penis is male. A vagina is female. Gender is bullshit, implimented by the patriarchy to keep non masculine men and all women in their "place".

Alisvolatpropiis · 04/02/2018 16:25

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YouCantBeSirius · 04/02/2018 16:25

Women don't have penises HTH

LaurieFairyCake · 04/02/2018 16:25

Why are you arguing for penises to be allowed in female segregated areas like changing rooms or female refuges?

Do you not see how absurd that is?

Women don’t want to see penises in those areas. Surely not that hard to understand?

I don’t see transphobia on this board - I see a small minority of trans activists attempting to demand access to female spaces in order to assault and intimidate. And the women on this board arguing against it.

Not wanting penises in women’s prisons where they can (and have) rape and impregnate vulnerable women doesn’t make me ‘transphobic’ - it makes me anti-rapists. And anti penises in women’s spaces.

BertrandRussell · 04/02/2018 16:25

What are all the onderful differences between the genders?

TheShaniaTwainExperience · 04/02/2018 16:26
Hmm
Disgusted by all the transphobia here
Anlaf · 04/02/2018 16:26

Actually the third person to ask

Action item: List Wonderful differences between the genders
Action owner: Mike
Action Status: overdue

gussyfinknottle · 04/02/2018 16:26

I'm a woman. Not a ciswoman. Not a category of woman.
I rarely wear makeup. I'm not groomed. Some might say I'm a frumpy minger. Some might not. Either way, I'm a woman.
If a person wants to transition and remove their penis, that's fine with me. But don't start ordering me about and telling me what it is or should be to be a woman, because I already know.

MikePeterson · 04/02/2018 16:26

blatblatblat, I don't consider any aspect of a person's body or how they present it to have anything to do with gender, merely what they truly believe in their heart. I was pointing out how if certain bigots wish to make gender an issue of how a certain piece of skin looks then their logic, carried to its ultimate conclusion, doesn't reflect too well on them.

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