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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Bravo Janice Turner!

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NotALabourMemberImAfraidLads · 03/02/2018 00:21

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/labour-s-purge-of-the-trans-rights-heretics-p32khgn36

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Stopmakingsense · 03/02/2018 19:45

My Tory (v centrist MP) responded really well to my letter. Said he took so long to reply because he needed time to reflect and think about the unintended consequences of self -ID which simply hadn't crossed his mind before my letter. So yes do write to your MP otherwise there is no chance.

Trueheart1 · 03/02/2018 20:01

Ovahere good point, well written.

ShotsFired · 03/02/2018 20:07

My Tory MP is completely against the whole concept.
I think this is more to do with the fact that he is old-Tory and so dislikes those funny queer types more than he dislikes women getting above their station. So supporting us is the lesser of two evils! (fine by me in this case)

I have something of a dialogue with him, in that I have communicated twice about this, and I will continue to do so. In turn he will continue tell me he is not supporting GRA.

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 03/02/2018 20:10

What OvaHere said

SeraphinaDombegh · 03/02/2018 20:24

Very good indeed. So clearly explained and written. I've actually gone and shared it on FB. Bit nervous now. First time I've publicly stuck my head over the parapet.

Geronimoleapinglizards · 03/02/2018 20:52

Um, is Bex Stinson a trans woman? I've been assuming she's a gay woman. I'm totally confused.

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 03/02/2018 21:02

Bex Stinson is trans

nauticant · 03/02/2018 21:08

The first I'd ever heard of Bex Stinson was their endless tweeting over Janice Turner's article today. Reading their tweets, I didn't for one second think they might be a woman.

Geronimoleapinglizards · 03/02/2018 21:26

Ah. Well I was fooled.

I thought she was a lesbian who'd drunk the kool aid.

OlennasWimple · 03/02/2018 21:30

Bex Stinson is a transwoman, lawyer and peddler of outrageous assertions on the rate of trans suicides and likelihood of being murdered Angry

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 03/02/2018 21:35

On twitter today they were making a song and dance about how terrifying they found Janice Turner Hmm

Spinachsucks · 03/02/2018 21:38

This Tory MP has put her head above the parapet and retweeted the link to Janice Turner's article. Link below in case anyone wants to let her know it's appreciated, it matters to women, and the issue will massively affect how we vote: mobile.twitter.com/margot_james_mp/status/959696278706905089?ref_src=twcamp%5Eshare%7Ctwsrc%5Eios%7Ctwgr%5Ecom.apple.UIKit.activity.Message

Spinachsucks · 03/02/2018 21:39

Tweet comment with the article says:
Margot James MP
Words of warning that should be heard beyond the Labour Party @VictoriaPeckham
Labour’s purge of the trans‑rights heretics

Quickchange1 · 03/02/2018 21:43

Brilliant ... so glad I've read this. I now need to memorize all her eloquent points so I can argue my point more succinctly. I have to be careful as I'm a secondary school teacher.

MyOwnShed · 03/02/2018 22:35

You know when you get moments where you feel you're living through events and arguements that will be written up in history and sociology dissertations of students of years to come, feels like that. For an MP to be retweeting feels like a big thing.

ChattyLion · 04/02/2018 09:02

This IS really significant. Margot James MP is senior in the party (and also a lesbian) and for her to be openly gender critical is really important.

20nil · 04/02/2018 09:12

Thank you Janice!

RedToothBrush · 04/02/2018 09:54

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/womens-refuges-may-get-transgender-staff-3txhcr8mb?shareToken=4f9219d6f1f06b4faeb1cf663f653f2f

Justine Greening, the former equalities minister who drove the sex-change reforms, admitted for the first time last night that the concerns of women’s groups must be taken more into account.

She told The Sunday Times she still supported change, but stressed that the government should be “absolutely listening to the voices of women’s groups in all this and their concerns”.

Datun · 04/02/2018 10:07

RedToothBrush

They are reviewing their policy and taking into account whether self identified men can become counsellors?!

Dear lord. This is a dream come true for predators and AGP individuals everywhere.

NO man who thinks the definition of woman is a feeling, a cloak to don, a stereotype, or a turn on should be anywhere near vulnerable women. As a fucking counsellor?

Surely these woman will not allow that to happen?! They are at the coalface of violence against women.

RedToothBrush · 04/02/2018 10:21

I know.

Fucking horrendous.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 04/02/2018 10:22

Seems like Justine G. is getting the message. That would have been unthinkable a year ago. We've come a long way. Now it is time to lobby WA. Social media, petitions, emails ...

Myunicornfliessideways · 04/02/2018 10:27

Women in situtions of vulnerability should not be coerced to put their feelings, needs and history in a box so they can nurture the feelings, needs and history of the person who has been employed to provide a service to them. Anyone working in that field for the right reasons would get this. It's like the twat who fought through the courts for years for the right to counsel raped women who did not want to be counselled by him: his right to access those women and be allowed to overcome that boundary trumped any professional interest or care he had for his potential clients.

This view was attacked by trans campaigner Sarah Brown, who said it “punishes vulnerable trans women for hypothetical acts of infiltration by men claiming to be trans women”.

Sarah Brown would be much happier if vulnerable women just shut up and took the punishment of assaults and abuse if those hypothetical acts by men claiming to be TIMs. Here's a radical idea Sarah: how about a third option where no one's 'punished' or a victim to male violence at all, instead of arguing who has to get the shitty end of the stick?

Datun · 04/02/2018 10:42

Is that the same Sarah Brown who said you can suck my formaldehyde pickled balls?

EmpressOfJurisfiction · 04/02/2018 10:51

If anyone's inclined to show Margot James some love on Twitter right now it would probably be a good thing! She's going to get a lot of flack.