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First openly transgender woman in British Vogue Celebrating 100 years since women have been given the vote

303 replies

speakout · 04/01/2018 22:14

"Look how far we have come" says Paris Lees in a feature celebrating 100 years since women have had the right to vote in the UK.

Em except - your sex have always had the right to vote.

Or am I missing something?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-42572561

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AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 08/01/2018 19:36

Look at this article

www.conservativewoman.co.uk/vogues-transgender-suffragette-licence-bully-women/

By conservativefuckingwomen.co.uk

And look what Jess Phillips is saying:

twitter.com/jessphillips/status/950019928224133120

My mood is not improving

Redonionricedpotato · 08/01/2018 19:38

Stella Creasy has not been standing her ground. She has been deliberately sensationalising and cherry picking tweets from feminists, playing the victim, and outright refusing to answer the many sensible reasonable questions that have been posed.

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 08/01/2018 19:47

Yes, she did that to me and tried to manipulate what I was saying and make herself the victim.

Luckily, there were many women who took up the mantle in my defence. Thanks to those brilliant women!

DeleteOrDecay · 08/01/2018 19:49

Really disappointed in Jess Phillips.

Redonionricedpotato · 08/01/2018 19:52

How do these women sleep at night, knowing they could stand up for women and girls but don’t? That they’d rather take the side of the MRAs and misogynists masquerading as progressives? It’s sickening.

Thermostatpolice · 08/01/2018 21:56

How do these women sleep at night, knowing they could stand up for women and girls but don’t?

I'm baffled too. They could do so much good for half of the population. In comparison to the rest of us they have tons of power.

Redonionricedpotato · 08/01/2018 22:07

The thing is when the wind changes and the general public reach peak trans, all these fawning handmaidens will distance themselves from it as fast as they can. But it’ll all be there forever in black and white, their uncritical support of this horror show.

ALittleBitOfButter · 09/01/2018 00:01

That conservative women article is excellent. The comments are nuts. A couple of tras are helping the tories reach peak trans.

Mner · 09/01/2018 13:47

I can't believe I am writing this (left wing through and through) but the conservative women article is great. Really well done to her for writing something that stands up to these bullies.

I am very disappointed in the guardian. What a joke! Where do you get your news from if you do avoid the guardian? Avoiding the right-wing media of course. Unless maybe that is where this is going... I am going to end up right wing! Jeez! Confused

hackmum · 09/01/2018 14:35

Redonion "But it’ll all be there forever in black and white, their uncritical support of this horror show."

Satisfying, isn't it? Rather like Toby Young's tweets coming back to haunt him. Amidst the grim Orwellian nightmare of so-called left-wing feminists fawning over Men's Rights Activists, this is a thought that gives me some comfort.

Backingvocals · 09/01/2018 14:39

I'm afraid I have to put MNHQ in the bucket with Stella Creasy et al. They've allowed discussion thus far but now apparently it's rude to call men dressed as women he and him if the men don't like it and MNHQ will delete any comments that do this. Absolutely furious.

hipsterfun · 09/01/2018 14:42

I can't believe I am writing this (left wing through and through) but the conservative women article is great. Really well done to her for writing something that stands up to these bullies.

Since Corbyn et al seem committed to throwing us under the bus, I read the CW article thinking I might have finally gorn Tory. Then I browsed the comments - dear god, what a bunch!

Oh, what’s a liberal leftie to do...

Snowdrop18 · 09/01/2018 14:54

PL speaking for women is painfully infuriating

I'm also not sure what Stella Creasy is doing

Of course we all have our views on political figures but this doesn't seem to have been raised in a constructive way at all. It almost reads like she wanted to take an opportunity to criticise the suffragette movement? I'm not saying anyone's perfect but it just seems...odd.

Mner · 09/01/2018 15:02

The comments were horrific on that blog page - one TW saying if she couldn't swim in the women's pool, "then I'll just hop in the men's pool where I can frolic virtually naked with your husband or boyfriend. I'm sure you won't mind;)"!!

What planet is she on that that would seem like a logical, thought out discussion point?

hipsterfun · 09/01/2018 15:15

I wouldn’t mind one bit because I’m sure my partner would do what he normally does when people are embarrassing themselves, and politely look away.

The poor deluded poster seems to have ‘frolic with’ and ‘desperately parade myself in front of’ confused.

Mner · 09/01/2018 15:53

What a low opinion of men that TW has as well, just one sight of nearly naked TW, and they throw convention to one side, forgetting their partners and families... Such a bizarre take on reality.

Mner · 09/01/2018 16:27

Or more likely, an astromically high opinion of themselves that bares no relation to reality!

hipsterfun · 09/01/2018 16:28

It would seem that reality and reason take a back seat when a person is behind the wheel of the out-of-control validation bus.

Snowdrop18 · 09/01/2018 16:52

Wow
Of course no one mind
What planet is that person on?!

thebewilderness · 09/01/2018 20:21

"then I'll just hop in the men's pool where I can frolic virtually naked with your husband or boyfriend. I'm sure you won't mind;)"!!
When trans identified males use these "theatrical script for woman threatening to steal your man" they seem to forget they were written by men.

ChattyLion · 09/01/2018 20:35

This has to be a wind up, surely no one can be this narcissistic.. Hmm and this would really not be the first time there had been virtually naked frolicking in the men’s pond. Just leave women to swim (or frolic Grin) together in peace.

CharizMa · 09/01/2018 20:37

Good article in the catholic conservative! Who'd expect to find it there but yes, good article indeed. I wont torture myself reading the comments

QuackPorridgeBacon · 09/01/2018 20:40

Some trans people are total cunts and make me feel awfully sorry for those who want a peaceful life. I do not for one minute belive they are women though.

Datun · 09/01/2018 20:41

"then I'll just hop in the men's pool where I can frolic virtually naked with your husband or boyfriend. I'm sure you won't mind;)"!!
When trans identified males use these "theatrical script for woman threatening to steal your man" they seem to forget they were written by men.

Well quite.

Whilst they are complaining that their dating pool has been massively diminished, they are still grasping fondly to the notion that they are irresistible to men everywhere.

#translogic

ChattyLion · 09/01/2018 20:49

It’s like something Alan Partridge would say. Bizarre.