First openly transgender woman in British Vogue Celebrating 100 years since women have been given the vote

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"Look how far we have come" says Paris Lees in a feature celebrating 100 years since women have had the right to vote in the UK.

Em except - your sex have always had the right to vote.

Or am I missing something?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-42572561

Don't forget when you have grown up with no power, being told to take responsibility for yourself can sound terrifying. Women from our mothers generation didn't actually own their bank account or house deeds, they could be taken away by a male relative or husband.

This. Beloved older relative stayed at home and looked after her parents until they died, not marrying or working to do this. Her bloody father left her under the guardianship of the bank, she had an 'allowance' and every decision had to be made with the (male) bank managers, including them having to be involved in her choosing and buying her own house. She was over 100 when she died, but she passed away in 2005, with the bank still ok with this. This crap is embedded deep into modern life.

But surely ‘appropriation’ is a massive no-no which young people will have encountered before?

Yes, it's weird. Student unions are falling over themselves to ban Hawaiian themed nights etc because it's cultural appropriation and that is a no no.

But apparently the blatant appropriation of one of the biggest symbols of women's oppression in this country is something to be applauded?

Bizarre.

The Guardian has a piece about this today, “Vogue’s ‘New Suffragettes’: where are the women with disabilities?”.

I note that comments questioning Paris Lees’ claim on feminism are being deleted.

I just refuse to buy the Guardian now. I hope it folds soon. It has totally flung women under the bus and the routine censorship of women’s voices online is disgusting.

I've had two comments deleted on that Guardian article, both pretty innocuous. This is why I read but won't subscribe.

Yep same. They’re not getting a penny of my money.

I won't even click on the Guardian anymore. They will reep what they sow here.

Yes thehair I just don’t get the thought process, why the disconnect?

This Vogue thing- honestly what is the difference here from Rachel D going up to the podium to collect a stauette at a black awards or commemorative ceremony or memorial ceremony -now- ie AFTER we all know about her ‘deception’.
And then the great and good cheering her on for being there as a black person with relevant experience (and the Guardian deleting any dissenting comments about that...)

Except Rachel D while making an appalling error, it would seem also actually tried to combat racism in some ways with her work and tried to be an ally in some respects whereas that article by Paris Lees is horrendously misogynistic and relies on enforcing gender stereotypes. The opposite of an ally.

Can’t believe it’s come to this but fuck the Guardian. The sooner they fold, the better.

Fucking sickening that the writer is too scared or brain washed to mention the irony of men pretending to be women being given the place of real women over any obviously disabled women. Fucking kool aid drinking, fantasy supporting, misogynistic, cowardly wankers.

You’d probably get better political comment and analysis by reading Vogue.

There are a few gender critical comments on there at the moment - bet they don't last long!

My latest is still hanging in there - I’m sure the TRAs are reporting it as we speak.

“My own mum is deeply committed to ensuring men stay at the top

That is so weird. I've never understood how a woman could think her own sex is shit. Must be self esteem issues.”

Plenty of young women on here with the same mindset, sadly. It’s not the older posters who lay into or mock feminists!

Yet another disappointing article in the Guardian.

A throwaway comment on Twitter made me realise that there's one easy way to find out how committed to being a woman TIMs really are: ask them if they visited Iran or Saudi Arabia, would they wear the full abaya?

Here's a link to the Frances Ryan article in the Guardian:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/07/vogue-new-suffragettes-women-disabilities

W/R/T Vogue ignoring disabled women while feting a misogynist male like Lees, I thought one of the comments was particularly pertinent:

it is a waste of time expecting Vogue - an institution which makes money from turning women's bodies into clothes horses advertising £800 handbags to the elite - to care about anything other than promulgating a profitable 'perfect body'. Representing real bodies does not create profit. Only an unattainable ideal that keeps people spending forever will do that. Why then would they care about disabled women?

Of course it makes absolute sense for fashion magazines to embrace the idea that a woman is anyone who successfully performs objectified femininity - no wonder they are all eager to foist trans-identified males on us as role models! And no, disabled women (and for that matter elderly women or fat women) will never be included in the vision of womanhood they promote, so pleas to include disability as just one more 'identity' to be celebrated are destined to fail - as the commenter notes, real, imperfect bodies are antithetical to these magazines' very existence.

And virtually every gender critical comment has been deleted! If I could be arsed, I should have screen shotted them and called them out.
So shocking that the Guardian - in a democratic county - is so opposed to freedom of speech! There are a couple more recent comments still there!

MNHQ has a pretty solid ‘in’ with the Guardian if MNHQ were minded to remind the paper about the importance of this issue to gender critical women..

Presumably, the justification for deleting this comment was that it was off topic, since it’s entirely factual.

They also deleted a comment pointing out there were only six women featured in the Vogue piece, not seven, made in reply to another commenter.

I seriously don't get it. There must be dozens of transwomen with better 'female' credentials than Paris Lees.

What in earth's in it for Vogue? Why pick the most controversial one?

Unless, yet again, it's another person not doing their due diligence.

I asked Stella Creasey my 4 stock questions (crime stats, sport, choice in intimate care and programmes intended to increase the number of women in underrepresented areas) and she fudged all 4.

FFS Guardian. That's it for me. After nearly 30 years of buying their paper I'm out. I don't click on the Mail and will now no longer click on the Guardian.

Deleting factual comments like the one Everlastingsummer posted is disgraceful. It's like climate change deniers hushing up the evidence to suit their own agenda. I can't be doing with such levels of deliberate misrepresentation.

Jess Phillips now saying she admires how Stella Creasy (and Lily Allen) have been standing their ground on twitter in the last few days.

Fudging and gaslighting more like.

Oh I'm in such a bad fucking mood. Doesn't help that I have the lurgey on a grand scale with all manner of wanted matter sludging around my respiratory system.

Fucking male 'new suffragettes'. Fuck OFFF!

unwanted matter

Going to drink a bottle of knock me out benelyn and fuck off to bed