First openly transgender woman in British Vogue Celebrating 100 years since women have been given the vote

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"Look how far we have come" says Paris Lees in a feature celebrating 100 years since women have had the right to vote in the UK.

Em except - your sex have always had the right to vote.

Or am I missing something?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-42572561

Creasey has a point. Sylvia was the only great suffragette Pankhurst IMO.

I think they did put a TIM in Playboy recently, it didn’t go down well with many of their readers.

Can you expand on that, Lemonade?

This is an example of whataboutery.

Votes for women was nothing to do with transwomen in any way shape or form.

I wouldn't really have a problem if it was just Lees featuring in Vogue, it's just the way it has been done in a feature specifically about votes for women and that has now been diluted by her presence.

I am also at the way that women speaking out against this and saying 'umm, actually, this is inappropriate' is being dismissed as 'hate'.

Lemonade is absolutely right: Emmeline and Christabel were brutal to Sylvia and Adela (not to mention their poor brother), and ran the WSPU as a two-woman dictatorship. Their commitment to feminism weirdly ended on the day that war was declared. But Sylvia is a true hero(ine).

But probably unwise of Stella Creasy to raise it in that context ...

I get that. All idols have feet of clay. Martin Luther King cheated on his wife. So did JFK. The Pankhursts weren’t perfect. But Stella is way out of line if she thinks it’s ok to appear on the cover of a magazine celebrating their achievements but slag them off at the same time.

Ugh.

This is as bad as when Caitlin Jenner won Woman of the Year.

You just couldn’t make it up. Male who has had plastic surgery to make himself look female appears on the cover of a magazine that celebrates 100 years of women winning the vote. Women point this out. They are shut down as being hateful bigots.

The suffragettes would have been appalled by the way men have colonised womanhood in 2018.

I really notice how easy it is for women's achievements to be dismissed because they weren't 100% perfect in all areas of life or meet some lofty ideal. It annoys the heck out of me.
Stella Creasey wouldn't have a job if it wasn't for the sufragettes. She should have at least a modicum of respect for them.
Someone who denigrates the achievements of women isn't a feminist imo.

This has pissed me off. I've had a subscription to Vogue for years and am loving EE as editor. But putting PL in an article about the suffragettes is fuckig insane.

It's all about the pretty.

Gives me the rage.

I used to buy Vogue.

What an insult to biological women everywhere. I'm so angry at this.

Sorry, Delete, I don't not want an identifier.

I'm a woman, not Cis, not "natal", not "biological".

Sorrr, I have a stray 'not' there.

Couple of points - 100 years, rich women got the vote. It took a little while longer for working class women to get the vote, which I mention only because I get irked when people refer to that 100 year anniversary as if it meant all women.

The other one (and I see this a good deal) is that if you are going to criticise someone for using the word 'pretty' in relation to being a woman, it would be good to remember that there are countless examples of anti-trans feminism directly mocking trans women for 'not looking like women'.

Frequently looking to highlight a trans woman's 'masculine' traits is common, and if you find conflating 'pretty' with being a woman offensive, perhaps spend less time scrutinising the way they look?

So logically then, women have never not been able to vote..

All we had to do was throw on a pair of trousers, and sign in as Bob or Steve down at the voting office....

I'm
Not scrutinising the way the look, I'm commenting on what they say.

Yeah it’s an insult to women and a particular insult to the suffragettes. ‘Look how far we’ve come in the past 100 years, sisters! Men have bullied and gaslit women into believing that men ARE women, and better at it than many women, too! We’ve put one of the rare ones who looks pretty on the cover of our magazine, and anyone who has a problem with that is a hateful bigot!’

"Mocking someone for not looking as a woman"

Well, what's that to do with pretty?

luner trans women aren't women. No-one here is mocking them for not being pretty. What we are doing is using examples like Danielle Muscato to highlight how ridiculous it is to suggest that trans women are women.
Paris' tweet shows that Paris believes people told them they would never be a woman because they aren't pretty enough.
Whereas the reality is they will never be a woman because it is impossible to change sex.
There is nothing wrong with being a trans woman. Why can't people like Paris own their identity instead insisting they are something they aren't?

But most of them don’t look like women. Which only adds to the gross insult to our intelligence as women when we can clearly see that they are men but are expected to lie and say that yes, of course they are women.

Their not looking female is also relevant as many women are nervous around men. That includes men who are trying and usually failing to look like women. Their obvious male-ness makes a lot of women uncomfortable when being asked to share spaces with them.

Fuck and I had only just started buying Vogue again. At least I didn't ask for a for a subscription for Christmas.

Edward Enninful made his name with an edition of Vogue Italia that only featured black models. I wonder what he'd have said if someone had suggested Rachel Dolezal for that cover?

"Plus all the bullshit about not being accepted because they weren't 'pretty enough'."
This is what I noticed. Paris Lees's Twitter feed full of their self adulating nonsense - would I ever be beautiful enough to be a woman. Yeah. Cause all women are beautiful. Idiot. This makes me so angry.

This is as bad as when Caitlin Jenner won Woman of the Year. I actually think it's worse. I don't think you can compare this to any thing really. Having a penis and vagina dictated whether you could vote or not. Having surgery or saying you were would not have changed it. Changing your name would not have made a difference. If not lots of women would have done just that.

The main fact is, Paris lee would not have voted by choice not because he was told not too. Vogue failed this one.

This is the one space that should have been left alone and celebrated without it incorrectly including trans women.