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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

First openly transgender woman in British Vogue Celebrating 100 years since women have been given the vote

303 replies

speakout · 04/01/2018 22:14

"Look how far we have come" says Paris Lees in a feature celebrating 100 years since women have had the right to vote in the UK.

Em except - your sex have always had the right to vote.

Or am I missing something?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-42572561

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hipsterfun · 04/01/2018 22:29

According to Paris, "We've still got a long way to go before we reach equality and it's important we fight for all women."

More catcalling, Paris, that’ll do the trick. Thanks for the solidarity Hmm

InionEile · 04/01/2018 22:33

"People at school told me I'd never be a girl, would never be pretty enough, would never be accepted - well here I am being celebrated as a woman."

Yes, because being pretty is how you are accepted as a woman. What is this obsession some trans women have with their looks? 'Look how far we've come' - if being pretty is the main requirement for being accepted as female, then it looks to me like we are going backwards, not forwards.

QuentinSummers · 04/01/2018 22:35

Wtf is that BBC article about. Paris Lees is awful. And they would have had the vote anyway.

BarrackerBarmer · 04/01/2018 22:37

'We'?

Well, Paris, speaking from your position as someone who would have had the vote whilst actual women were denied it, you
appear to have come, like the rest of your sex, from telling women what they are and why you know best, to telling women what they are and why you know best.

What a journey. Put your feet up dude, there's always another milestone to celebrate. Perhaps you can tackle laws around women's autonomy over 'our' uteruses next?

What was that wonderful, perfect quote about men who ran themselves a nice warm bath of someone else's oppression and got in it for a leisurely wank?

Must find it so I can attribute it correctly.

Ereshkigal · 04/01/2018 22:54

Paris hasn't the first idea what being a woman is like. No one treats him like an actual woman.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 04/01/2018 23:42

What was that wonderful, perfect quote about men who ran themselves a nice warm bath of someone else's oppression and got in it for a leisurely wank?

NFI, but I'd love to know!

Gacapa · 04/01/2018 23:46

I'd love to know too. What fabulous phrase.

Thermostatpolice · 04/01/2018 23:51

What on earth was Lees thinking? Taking part in this feature is breathtakingly offensive and appropriative.

The elderly women of my childhood grew up believing that they would never be allowed to vote. Women within living memory. In the UK.

We have female biology in common with every single one of these women. Their mothers, grandmothers and great grandmothers. We can be sure that we would not have been allowed to vote until 1918. What does Lees have in common with them?

NorthernLurker · 04/01/2018 23:56

Just read the BBC piece. Wtf? 100 years since women got the vote. How is that a trans issue?

Thermostatpolice · 04/01/2018 23:56

I honestly can't see how this is any different from Rachel Dolezal.

Ereshkigal · 05/01/2018 00:17

What on earth was Lees thinking? Taking part in this feature is breathtakingly offensive and appropriative

You're expecting PL to have some empathy or self awareness. PL has none.

RaininSummer · 05/01/2018 00:18

Unfuckinbelievable isn't it. Fucking trans bandwagon crawling over everything.

Thermostatpolice · 05/01/2018 00:18

So it seems Ereshkigal.

CeeBeeBee · 05/01/2018 00:55

FFS. They have to make everything all about them, it's so tedious.

Ereshkigal · 05/01/2018 00:58

Narcissism could not be more obvious.

AnAsal · 05/01/2018 02:02

I can't help but wonder how much control the participants get over their styling and poses in a photo shoot like this. I find it interesting that Paris is the only one dressed and posing in quite a sexualised way.

IndominusRex · 05/01/2018 07:00

If this had just been a standard vogue article featuring Paris I wouldn't have any issue with it. But for a trans woman to be included in an article celebrating 100 years since women first got the vote it is gaslighting bullshit.

ATeardropExplodes · 05/01/2018 07:17

100 years after women get vote, men work out how to totally eradicate the concept of 'women'. Well done them.

QuentinSummers · 05/01/2018 08:13

I think Stella Creasey has actually lost the plot. She is now telling feminists off for "idolising" the Pankhursts

mobile.twitter.com/stellacreasy/status/949076129851289600

I'm gutted. I thought she was great but her Twitter over the last couple if days is just Confused

MrsWooster · 05/01/2018 08:17

Bearing in mind The Bear Went Over The Mountain, where does one go after peak trans?

bambambini · 05/01/2018 09:03

Yip, i noticed the others are a lot more “muted” than Paris. Love dome of thecoutfits though - were they chosen by the women or the mag i wonnder.

Boredofwinternow · 05/01/2018 09:39

Unfortunately, as Lily Madigan has shown, UK Labour are quite happy for their MPs and officers to say the most outrageous things on Twitter and openly scorn women and feminism without facing any repercussions.

Thehairthebod · 05/01/2018 09:40

I am fucking seething about this, I am shocked at myself at how angry I am.

What an absolute fucking insult to all those women who couldn't 'identify' their way out of their female bodies in order to get a vote. Paris Lees would have had a vote 100 years ago. Plus all the bullshit about not being accepted because they weren't 'pretty enough'. Fuck off. And now the 100 years of women having a vote has now been made all about the fact that a man is on the cover of Vouge as a woman. Great.

Looking at Stella Creasy's twitter as well, I don't know what she is thinking. How dare she.

Tried to talk to DH about it, he just doesn't get it.

Arghhhhhh!

Thehairthebod · 05/01/2018 09:45

Also, I have noticed that all these 'first transwomen in mainstream media' things are all in things directed at women.

So we had Munroe Bergdorf as the first trans face of Loreal, and now Lees on the cover of Vouge.

I wonder when we will have the first transwoman on the cover of FHM or in the 'Love Advent Calendar'. Oh yes that will be the 12th of never, because everyone knows that straight blokes would be like 'um, that's a dude' and take their money elsewhere.

But we know that women are expected to just suck this shit up.

Thehairthebod · 05/01/2018 09:55

Looking at this again, Stella Creasy was actually in the photoshoot?! And is now slagging off the suffragettes on Twitter?

Shock
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