Follow on thread to - Feeling sad and weary that feminists and trans-women are constantly pitted against one another.

[Datun]

Thread came to an end. But I wanted to reply to Debbie.

Debbie6666

Your transman in the cowboy hat?

It really it really is the height of enough to actually leverage the damage that the trans ideology does to try and get women to capitulate to it.

We are telling you how detrimental this is to women, including transmen, and you’re actually using it as a ner ner moment?

It’s beyond parody. And very deceitful.

How big is this cake Debbie? You've been icing it for days now.

If a man wants to commit an offence he will. Taking the trouble to dress up as a woman would only make any potential sex offender more conspicuous.
Dakun that stuff you sent was men committing offences, not men pretending to be women.

Care to address why women's consent is not required perfectly? Why are you throwing women under the bus?

I've seen no vitriol against trans people here. Posters seem to be going out of their way to emphasize that it's not trans people who are the problem, but predatory males being allowed access to sex-segregated spaces. A point that does not appear to have been addressed, other than "that never happens" (it does) and "if it does happen, just go to the police" (which does nothing to prevent it; and the law has such a great track record dealing with rape and sexual assault, anyway).

Taking the trouble to dress up as a woman would only make any potential sex offender more conspicuous.

Terf. Bigot.

Dakun that stuff you sent was men committing offences, not men pretending to be women.

Yes. Men commit the majority of sexual and violent crime. Including MTF trans people. The clothes etc are immaterial. What is your point? What separates one type of male from the other?

I don't agree that self ID will make an iota of difference. There is just not the evidence to support that it does, or is it even logical that it would.

Jesus. SELF ID in and of itself will make little difference. All it has done is highlight the equality law already in place.

For both women AND predators.

Suddenly predators, whether trans or not, know they can be protected when they access women’s spaces. No longer do they need to sneak in and put a camera in the cistern. They can just bloody well walk in. No questions asked.

Topshop caved instantly on Twitter. Now every ‘transfemme’ man knows he can invoke the Travis effect.

Meanwhile, transactivists are actively complaining against gender neutral facilities.

Why? Why is it sooo necessary to break down women’s boundaries?

men pretending to be women

But are not transwomen women?

Dakun that stuff you sent was men committing offences, not men pretending to be women.

No it wasn’t. That’s why it’s called this never happens. It’s specifically about people identifying as trans.

There may be one or two, where it’s not clear. But 99 percent of it is people identifying is trans. That’s the point.

Debbie what do you think of parents transing their children so that they haven't got 'the gay'? One of my objections to the trans ideology is that I find it homophobic.

Perfectly you'll be pleased to note that hear at mumsnet we don't meet the TENI definition of transphobia

The fear, dislike or hatred of people who are trans or are perceived to challenge conventional gender categories or ‘norms’ of male or female. Transphobia can result in individual and institutional discrimination, prejudice and violence against trans or gender variant people.

Teni.ie is a completely down the rabbit hole experience, I don't think even they understand what they've written under their glossary of terms, it is a conflation of many different issues.

Debbieand Perfectly I really don't see what your (or anybody else's) objections are to the upthread suggestion that sex and sexual orientation are retained as protected characteristics and being GNC is also a protected characteristic. SEX segregation remains for situations where segregation is needed and we all continue to shop in tescos together without bothering our fellow human beings.

Ffs *here

Eresh exactly my point!! Judge the crime, not the clothes they are wearing.

Taking the trouble to dress up as a woman would only make any potential sex offender more conspicuous.

What trouble! Daniel Muscato took take the place of a woman in a woman’s aid shelter and tweeted suck my dick on International women’s day looking like this.

TBF I think my cake is ready for an icing too. Catch yous later.

No you don't understand me perfectly (or are pretending not to)

The point is that males as a class are a risk to women, including MTF, and the criminal offences of voyeurism and indecent exposure are based on the principle that women (and men) expect privacy from the opposite sex in intimate circumstances. It's a reasonable expectation which it is unreasonable to ask them to give up.

Judge the crime, not the clothes they are wearing

Great - we have consensus! Except of course those committing the crime WANT to be judged by the clothes they're wearing so they can go to women's jails. Which they appear to do quite successfully.

Is "my cake needs icing" code for "I don't have any other point to make, I'm not really able to engage and I'm now bored of repeating the same unconvincing gotcha argument over and over again"?

"Perfectly, over to you. good luck"

Oh ffs.

A predatory male doesn’t even have to bother with self ID to access female spaces. As it would be a hate crime question a transperson then it becomes impossible to object to any person in a female space. They don’t have to do anything at all as they can no longer be questioned.

It could be a euphemism for anything with these two.

Women have started to record incidents where the person identifies as trans. Neither I, nor they, nor anyone, knows whether the people are authentic and have gender dysphoria, or not. I should imagine using your penis in sex crimes indicates you don’t have gender dysphoria. So in my mind, that makes them fake.

The fact that there are so many sex offenders identifying as trans also supports the fake narrative.

What it doesn’t do is support the idea that predators everywhere won’t use the trans narrative to commit crime.

When they clearly are.

From the first page ( to refute to perfectlys claim that these are not men pretending to be women).

Datun that's in the US not the UK

It's also from 2011 from the look of it.

I’m just taking them as they come up. I’ll post the UK bonds as they come up

Uk.

Although, anyone can access that site. It’s public. And it’s all listed.