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a letter to the woman who called me a terf

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carrotandcornsoup · 10/12/2017 07:01

To the woman who shrieked at me that I am a bigot and a terf and a hateful transphobe for defending women's rights,

Ten, fifteen years from now, I ask you to remember me.

Remember me when you have your first baby and you're referred to throughout your pregnancy as a birthing individual, a pregnant person, and it makes you feel kind of dehumanised and you wish they'd just call you a woman, a mother, because that's what you are. But they're not allowed, because it's illegal to say only women can be pregnant and give birth.

Remember me when you give birth and you feel vulnerable and exposed and you really want a woman beside you who understands what you're going through and instead your midwife is a six foot man with stubble in a dress and you know he isn't a woman but you're not allowed to object, even when you need to be examined and you just want a woman to do it but you know you can't say anything because that would be hate speech, even though your body is screaming no.

Remember me when your elderly mother, who has lost her mind to dementia, goes into a care home and is told that her carer, Susan, is a woman, because you asked that she only be cared for by women. And even in her addled state of mind, she knows that Susan is a man, and you know Susan is a man, but you cannot object, and she has to allow Susan to perform her intimate care, because to object would be hate speech.

Remember me when your daughter comes home from school crying, the daughter who has spent the last five years training to be the best athlete in her class, her school, her district, she's crying because Lucas in her class, one of the fastest boys, has decided he identifies as female for now and so is allowed to run in her race, and she knows it doesn't matter how hard she trains, he will always beat her, and she can only ever hope for a silver medal now. Or bronze, if there is another Lucas.

Remember me when you go into a toilet late at night, perhaps in a bar, and there's noone else around, and a guy walks in, he has a beard and is wearing jeans and a t shirt, and the way he looks at you seems off, and you feel afraid and unsettled and worried he might hurt you. But you can't challenge him, because if you do he'll say he's a woman and has as much right as you do to be in this toilet, a place where many years ago you might have come to feel safe.

Remember me when you go for a promotion, for a board position at work that's designated for a woman. You've put in the hours, you've worked so hard, you know you deserve it. And the position goes to Lola, who until last year was a 50 year old man. Lola will never do anything inconvenient like needing time off to have babies, or to deal with any health issues that you, a woman might face, like endometriosis, breast cancer, PND. Lola is a woman just like you, and your company are happy that they have fulfilled their quota of women members on the board.

Remember me when you read on the news that crime statistics for women committing rape and murder are on the increase, and now women carry out a much higher number of rapes and murders than they did when you were a teenager or a young woman. And you know that these 'women' are men and that the statistics are wrong, but to challenge this would be hate speech. Remember me too, when these women rapists are locked up with vulnerable women in female prisons and cannot escape, because to challenge the presence of the women rapists with penises in prison with them would be hate speech.

Remember me when your son comes home from school and says that he's learned at school that you can change sex and that some girls have penises and some boys have vaginas and that his teacher said that because he likes playing with girls and dolls that maybe he is really a girl in the wrong body. And you think, no, you are just my wonderful, unique, son, and you were born in your own body. Remember me when a few months down the line the teacher calls you in and says she's concerned that you are not validating your son's identity and that she's noticed you are still referring to him by the name you so carefully chose for him when he was born, and calling him a boy, when he is actually a girl, and that she doesn't want to have to involve social services but she's worried she might have to if you continue to misgender your son and deny his real identity. And you know that she will, because it's happened before in a school near you, and you are afraid.

In this brave new world that you helped to create, look around for your transactivist friends, your lefty male allies, the ones you stood beside and yellled 'terf, transphobe, bigot' with, with you shouting the loudest, because you wanted to show what a good ally you were, how inclusive, how progressive. Where are they now? Why, they are where they always were. Benefitting from the patriarchy. Enjoying the new, improved version of it that you helped them to build by crushing the resistance from the women who spoke up for their rights. This has all cost them nothing; it has made the world a better, easier place for men. It has cost you and your sisters who campaigned with them for virtue cookies, everything.

And me? I'll be where I've always been. Fighting for your rights. Fighting to undo the damage.

I'll have your back, as I always have done.

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Cocolepew · 10/12/2017 10:17

Moving and powerful ❤

CaptainBrickbeard · 10/12/2017 10:17

Oh, can I suggest an addition - PE changing rooms and school residential trips - a massive cause of concern for me.

dementedma · 10/12/2017 10:18

Brilliant post, hope it gets wider coverage in the media. If agreeing with your post makes me a Terf, then happy to be a Terf.

brapbrapbrap · 10/12/2017 10:23

For once, I want the media to pick this up. Please make this a viral FB post.

HellToupee · 10/12/2017 10:23

Brilliant post, OP. ❤️

CaptainBrickbeard · 10/12/2017 10:26

Could someone tweet it to Janice Turner at the Times (have I got the name right?)

PencilsInSpace · 10/12/2017 10:27

Flowers Thank you for writing this amazing piece. I hope it gets shared widely and makes some well-meaning allies stop and think.

WillowWeeping · 10/12/2017 10:28

Excellent post OP - definitely deserves further reading.

Again to the PP who said she wasn’t worried about seeing a male HCP or the “integration of genitals” is your position that because you’re not bothered no one should be bothered?

Because that seems rather unfair and dismissive

SunshineClouds · 10/12/2017 10:29

There is a reason why older women are being no-platformed. We know our history. As PP put it, our feminism came from within, from questioning, thinking critically and challenging

And also from reading, writing and thinking critically about the systemic and structural causes of women's oppression.

For me, that is one of the major differences between 70s "Women's Lib" and 3rd Wave so-called feminism

sausagepastapot · 10/12/2017 10:39

Fantastic post carrot. Terrifying, true and amazingly written. I am in total agreement.

PencilsInSpace · 10/12/2017 10:40

slothface, we all have different things we mind and don't mind. Personally I don't give a shit about women's sport - it's all just PE to me. However I recognise it's not all about me and that for many women sport is extremely important in all sorts of ways from a career, right down to basic fitness, fun and a chance to make friends. So I will stand beside those women who are fighting to preserve women's sport, even though I personally don't care much about it.

Have a listen to this woman's story then come back and say she shouldn't be entitled to a female HCP if she requests it.

Ma1low51 · 10/12/2017 10:41

So what if you’re not? A great many, I’d say probably a majority, are. Do you not care about them?

jellycat1 · 10/12/2017 10:46

Fuck yes OP. How ridiculous does it all have to get before common sense prevails.

OutComeTheWolves · 10/12/2017 11:00

I read this op and thought it was far too far fetched.

Then I remembered that when Trump first started running for president, I thought it was a complete joke because nobody in their right mind would vote for someone who was on record boasting about sexually assaulting women & promoting islamophobia.

And when the Brexit referendum first started, I just didn't understand why Gove and Johnson were aligning themselves with a cause that no one would support because it was essentially throwing NI under a bus.

I think I need to open my eyes somewhat. Thank you for giving me food for thought this morning.

MrGHardy · 10/12/2017 11:13

Powerful!

Westworld · 10/12/2017 11:25

Excellent post OP - so well written, such a succinct explanation of the many issues raised

AskBasil · 10/12/2017 11:30

This is brilliant.

Thank you for posting it.

We have to fight the GRC so that it doesn't come to pass.

BlindYeo · 10/12/2017 11:32

Increasing fucked off with people on this board drawing parallels with Brexit.

Stereotypes of Leave voters as racist, xenophobic thick or uneducated are very similar to the TRA cries of transphobe.

If we are going to drag Brexit in, then one particular poster's fine words about tolerance and respect for other people's life experiences ring particularly hollow with me.

I agree wholeheartedly with the OP though.

WTAFisthisshit · 10/12/2017 11:40

This op needs to go viral!

notthegumdropbuttons · 10/12/2017 11:40

Truly loved this post

RestingGrinchFace · 10/12/2017 11:48

You are overreacting and you don't seem to understand the concept of hate speech. While I appreciate where you are coming from things like this risk gender critical women being branded as hysterical. This kind of outpouring doesn't help anyone. If you want people to take you seriously you need to make a rational argument, not an emotive one. There are many rational arguments to be made on this front, sone you have hinted at such as the threat to women's safety posed by self identification, the erosion of positive discrimination policies, the metaphysical argument for gender and sex and, the erosion of the female sex as a gender. Find a way to express these thoughts without catastrophising or relying on emotive pleas and you may actually be able to render a service unto your sex rather than attracting and justifying claims of bigotry.

Ereshkigal · 10/12/2017 11:50

Nonsense. The OP is not catastrophising. This is what we are moving towards because it is the agenda for many. Asking politely for men to respect our rights isn't working, is it?

RedToothBrush · 10/12/2017 11:52

You can not win an argument about an identity issue on rationality alone. You need to combine the two.

Ereshkigal · 10/12/2017 11:52

Why do transactivists get to make an emotive argument and have it taken seriously and women don't? Perhaps it's you who should go and have a little think about these things, Grinch.

whitehandledkitchenknife · 10/12/2017 11:57

I disagree Resting.
I have noticed a fair few new names posting here. I'm wondering if this is because it has put the deep seated misogyny, which is at the heart of Trans Rights Activism, in clear, accessible language. Anyone wanting to find out more has the whole net at their disposal.
We each have our own writing style and understanding of the issues at stake.
If this helps more women to access what some have warned about for a long time, then all to the good.

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